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Re: Move tests to closed source repo

#23

Post by _vufv »

The "this wasted my time" comments are missing the point...

In addition to his great sense of humor, Steve is usually ahead of the curve in terms of trends. There's a lesson in this. LLMs have become incredible constraint solvers ("SAT-solvers for code"). Well-thought-out tests, types, specs, and docs are all incredibly valuable constraints. This has big implications - for example what happens to licenses when you can cheaply rewrite the codebase and therefore unencumber it.

Re: Move tests to closed source repo

#24

Post by alt187 »

Whether this was a joke or a backtracking, or this dared waste your oh so precious time- You're missing the forest for the trees. There's extreme covert and even overt hostility between how people stand on AI's gluttonous usage of the commons.

We're about to waltz into a deep period of tension between developers, and people who, empowered by multimillion dollars corporations, bravely violate developers' copyrights in the hopes of replacing their jobs, while bullying these same developers who dare express their discontent.

This is not gonna end well.

Re: Move tests to closed source repo

#25

Post by gempir »

unfunco wrote: post #18
simonw wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's from this comment here: https://github.com/tldraw/tldraw/issues/8082#issuecomment-39... Well that's embarrassing! I reported it as if it wasn't a joke. I thought the joke issue was this one about translating everything to Chinese: https://github.com/tldraw/tldraw/issues/8092

If it was a joke (the test suite issue), then it was a really shit joke. It reads more like backtracking, I don't think _you_ should feel any embarrassment.

The gag started on Twitter after Cloudflare vibe coded a nextjs replacement clone.

If you know that context and the tweet I feel this is more obvious that it is a joke.

Just because you didn't get the joke, does not make it a really shit joke. The funniest jokes rely on context.

Re: Move tests to closed source repo

#26

Post by crabmusket »

anitil wrote: post #2

This is concerning, it feels a bit tragedy-of-the-commons I suppose where having public tests are a valuable public good, thought I can't quite get the analogy straight in my head.

> feels a bit tragedy-of-the-commons ... I can't quite get the analogy straight in my head

I have a personal theory that "tragedy of the commons" has a very specific meaning, and beyond this meaning it just adds confusion. This isn't your fault - it's an overused phrase.

I'd try to examine the root of your discomfort. Why does it make you feel bad? Avoid thinking about "big ideas" like the commons or the public good.

Re: Move tests to closed source repo

#27

Post by poly2it »

alt187 wrote: post #21
ddtaylor wrote: post #20

What a strange joke that wasted the time of so many.

Entitled mentality.

Open source is a comittment. It is entitled of companies to grow developer user bases by promising that they will continue to provide their product to consumers and foster an open community, then pull the rug once openness no longer benefits them. The decision to go open source should less often be guided by financial reasons. It is foremost a social system of distributed labour and dependence.

Re: Move tests to closed source repo

#30

Post by Iolaum »

_vufv wrote: post #23

The "this wasted my time" comments are missing the point... In addition to his great sense of humor, Steve is usually ahead of the curve in terms of trends. There's a lesson in this. LLMs have become incredible constraint solvers ("SAT-solvers for code"). Well-thought-out tests, types, specs, and docs are all incredibly valuable constraints. This has big implications - for example what happens to licenses when you ca…

Is it really re-writing - legally - if you are starting from the codebase itself? Not a lawyer, am wondering however if the Google vs Oracle Java lawsuit has some implications for this.
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