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Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by fodkodrasz »

cdrage wrote: post #5
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #3

I tried to use podman desktop for a bit but I ran into some screwy compatibility issues. It just wasn't as smooth as docker. I really really want an alternative to docker desktop. I don't like the path they're going down. I don't like the AI crap in the UI. The licensing is crazy. It just doesn't feel right. So I've been lately using rancher by SuSE. Surprisingly, it's been all right. So far it just works. I'm using…

What sort of compatibility issues were you encountering? (disclaimer: I'm on the Podman Desktop team) If it was compose + docker compatibility issues, that's on the roadmap for improvement :). Compose support is flakey at times (it's essentially a wrapper around the open source binary https://github.com/docker/compose )

I had issues with performance/power management, and had to abandon Podman Desktop on Windows. Have not checked out recently, but my issues may possibly be solved by

https://github.com/podman-desktop/podman-desktop/issues/1035...

Basically I had a 5 second periodic CPU spike after some update. Also I had some compose issues, and some issue with Fedora based WSL. These together were blockers for me at that point, but I'm using podman on my pet Fedora server, and it works (using quadlets there) perfectly there, and will retry it on Windows also when I get the time.

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by kkapelon »

trueismywork wrote: post #15
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #3

I tried to use podman desktop for a bit but I ran into some screwy compatibility issues. It just wasn't as smooth as docker. I really really want an alternative to docker desktop. I don't like the path they're going down. I don't like the AI crap in the UI. The licensing is crazy. It just doesn't feel right. So I've been lately using rancher by SuSE. Surprisingly, it's been all right. So far it just works. I'm using…

Sorrt for may be a complete ignorant question but whats the use case of docker desktop as opposed docker cli

It also includes a local k8s cluster. So you get 2 in 1 package.

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by blakesterz »

bmurphy1976 wrote: post #3

I tried to use podman desktop for a bit but I ran into some screwy compatibility issues. It just wasn't as smooth as docker. I really really want an alternative to docker desktop. I don't like the path they're going down. I don't like the AI crap in the UI. The licensing is crazy. It just doesn't feel right. So I've been lately using rancher by SuSE. Surprisingly, it's been all right. So far it just works. I'm using…

I'll just add another vote for OrbStack. I found it way faster on M1 and M5 and never found any compatibility issues.

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by p0w3n3d »

cdrage wrote: post #8
p0w3n3d wrote: post #2

My Podman starts containers in arch x86-64-v3 with rosetta on for 27 seconds which Docker does it in 9s. I wonder what's wrong. I've already upgraded Mac to Tahoe (which has x86-64-v3 support included into rosetta)

Ahhh, one of the reasons could be that Docker Desktop by default uses 50% of your RAM when they create their VM and the maximum amount of CPUs. Podman Desktop by default has a much lower RAM (4GB) + CPU usage (50% CPU). That's something that could be improved... I've opened up an issue: https://github.com/podman-desktop/podman-desktop/issues/1634... :)

No I checked it against the amount of RAM. Podman with 8GB does not increase speed, Docker with 4GB is still 9s

  podman run   27->24
  docker run   9.4->9.769 total
(I increased limit in podman and decreased limit in docker). This happens with amd64 arch images (which I for some reason need in my work and cannot rebuild)

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by p0w3n3d »

cdrage wrote: post #8
p0w3n3d wrote: post #2

My Podman starts containers in arch x86-64-v3 with rosetta on for 27 seconds which Docker does it in 9s. I wonder what's wrong. I've already upgraded Mac to Tahoe (which has x86-64-v3 support included into rosetta)

Ahhh, one of the reasons could be that Docker Desktop by default uses 50% of your RAM when they create their VM and the maximum amount of CPUs. Podman Desktop by default has a much lower RAM (4GB) + CPU usage (50% CPU). That's something that could be improved... I've opened up an issue: https://github.com/podman-desktop/podman-desktop/issues/1634... :)

are you by any chance one of those Claw raging robots? really? created an issue?

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by p0w3n3d »

bmurphy1976 wrote: post #3

I tried to use podman desktop for a bit but I ran into some screwy compatibility issues. It just wasn't as smooth as docker. I really really want an alternative to docker desktop. I don't like the path they're going down. I don't like the AI crap in the UI. The licensing is crazy. It just doesn't feel right. So I've been lately using rancher by SuSE. Surprisingly, it's been all right. So far it just works. I'm using…

I got into problems with test containers on podman and I have no idea how to solve them. Have you fought with that by any chance?

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by ImJasonH »

It's unclear to me from this post, or Red Hat's announcement[0] what makes it an enterprise build, aside from offering some support SLA.

Are there any material differences between this and the free OSS Podman Desktop[1] released 4 years ago?

0: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/introducing-red-hat-build-pod... 1: https://podman-desktop.io/

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by fred_is_fred »

ImJasonH wrote: post #27

It's unclear to me from this post, or Red Hat's announcement[0] what makes it an enterprise build, aside from offering some support SLA. Are there any material differences between this and the free OSS Podman Desktop[1] released 4 years ago? 0: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/introducing-red-hat-build-pod... 1: https://podman-desktop.io/

Isn't that what most enterprise software is? A number to call and some kind of contract on it?

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by y0ssar1an »

The best alternative to Docker Desktop on macOS is to abandon the GUI entirely use colima to create the linux VM.

    brew install colima docker docker-buildx docker-completion docker-compose
    export DOCKER_HOST="$HOME/.colima/docker.sock" >> ~/.zshrc
    source ~/.zshrc
    colima start --cpus 8 --vz-rosetta --ssh-agent --mount $HOME:w
then add this line to your $HOME/.docker/config.json

    "cliPluginsExtraDirs": ["/opt/homebrew/lib/docker/cli-plugins"],
that will get you a fast virtiofs VM with the latest docker, including compose and buildx. it may seem scary to replace an officially blessed tool like Docker Desktop, but i have had zero issues with colima. it isn't "docker compatible". it's docker. just need to run `brew upgrade` and `colima update` every once in a while to keep it up to date.

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by jaimehrubiks »

y0ssar1an wrote: post #29

The best alternative to Docker Desktop on macOS is to abandon the GUI entirely use colima to create the linux VM. brew install colima docker docker-buildx docker-completion docker-compose export DOCKER_HOST="$HOME/.colima/docker.sock" >> ~/.zshrc source ~/.zshrc colima start --cpus 8 --vz-rosetta --ssh-agent --mount $HOME:w then add this line to your $HOME/.docker/config.json "cliPluginsExtraDirs": ["/opt/homebrew/li…

Does this support volume bind mounts and port forwarding?
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