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Glider - A minimal, text-focused theme for Wordpress

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Re: Glider - A minimal, text-focused theme for Wordpress

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Post by bpatrianakos »

georgemcbay wrote: post #20
mimiflynn wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

fonts generally look worse in Windows than Mac. OS X does some magic to smooth out those fonts.

> fonts generally look worse in Windows than Mac. This is subjective. See: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2007/06/12.html I prefer the way fonts look on Windows. Other people prefer the way fonts look in MacOS. > OS X does some magic to smooth out those fonts. FWIW, it is Windows that is actually doing "magic" (in the sense that it is using a algorithm to fit pixels to grid) whereas MacOS just does a more direct…

Eh, I think the consensus is that fonts are generally better on Mac. And this isn't one of those "Windows sucks because..." things, it's just that in general more fonts look better more often on Mac than Windows. You can definitely point to some fonts that render like crap on a Mac and you can definitely find people who think fonts look better on Windows but really, the truth is, nine times out of ten Mac wins when it comes to how good fonts look. I'm sure I'll be hated here for saying that especially since you linked to that HN post about it but HN is representative of a very very small and narrow but of the world of computer users. Go out into the world and ask around and you'll see. I never noticed it until I started using a Mac. Then it became abundantly clear when I had to start using Windows a lot again. I've seen hundreds of fonts on tens of displays on both platforms and Mac has got fonts in the bag most times.

I know there's an element of subjectivity to this but at the same time I don't think it's subjective at all. It's almost like saying the jury is still out on evolution or global warming. That's kinda true but, nah, not really.

Edit: After thinking about it for a moment, I still stand behind what I said but I want to narrow down "fonts" to web fonts only because that's where you see the biggest difference no matter the browser.

Re: Glider - A minimal, text-focused theme for Wordpress

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Post by yuchi »

ckluis wrote: post #11
yuchi wrote: post #10

Very good theme, but should html5 push State when possible, it would make it near-perfect.

pjax would work today on several browsers with graceful degradation.

And, btw, you should not provide animation to that browsers not supporting push state at all. You're going to have a bad time if you mix full solid urls and hastag ones. Ask twitter...

Re: Glider - A minimal, text-focused theme for Wordpress

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Post by georgemcbay »

bpatrianakos wrote: post #21
georgemcbay wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> fonts generally look worse in Windows than Mac. This is subjective. See: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2007/06/12.html I prefer the way fonts look on Windows. Other people prefer the way fonts look in MacOS. > OS X does some magic to smooth out those fonts. FWIW, it is Windows that is actually doing "magic" (in the sense that it is using a algorithm to fit pixels to grid) whereas MacOS just does a more direct…

Eh, I think the consensus is that fonts are generally better on Mac. And this isn't one of those "Windows sucks because..." things, it's just that in general more fonts look better more often on Mac than Windows. You can definitely point to some fonts that render like crap on a Mac and you can definitely find people who think fonts look better on Windows but really, the truth is, nine times out of ten Mac wins when i…

> It's almost like saying the jury is still out on evolution or global warming.

No, it is nothing like that at all.

Set up a side-by-side A/B test (such as setting up Safari on Windows to use Mac-rendering) and then ask a bunch of Mac users which they prefer and they will say Mac, ask a bunch of Windows users which they prefer and they will say Windows. There are pros and cons to grid-fitting or not grid-fitting, but ultimately those pros and cons are trumped by what you're used to seeing.

My guess is you're surrounded by a bunch of Mac users and suffering from the same bubble effect you are attributing to "HN".

Re: Glider - A minimal, text-focused theme for Wordpress

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Post by hfz »

chj wrote: post #24

If a text-focused theme doesn't do justified text align, it looks bad.

Disagree. Justification causes the so called "River" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_(typography) that can cause readability problem.

With the relative lack of typographical control on the web right now, it's best to keep text non-justified.

Re: Glider - A minimal, text-focused theme for Wordpress

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Post by hdevalence »

hfz wrote: post #25
chj wrote: post #24

If a text-focused theme doesn't do justified text align, it looks bad.

Disagree. Justification causes the so called "River" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_(typography) that can cause readability problem. With the relative lack of typographical control on the web right now, it's best to keep text non-justified.

Rivers mean your justification algorithm is broken. It is true that the browser being broken isn't something you can change, but using CSS hyphens and falling back to something like hyphenator.js allows you to have justified text that is basically free of rivers in practice. It's perhaps not as easy as it should be, but it is possible.

Re: Glider - A minimal, text-focused theme for Wordpress

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Post by chj »

hfz wrote: post #25
chj wrote: post #24

If a text-focused theme doesn't do justified text align, it looks bad.

Disagree. Justification causes the so called "River" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_(typography) that can cause readability problem. With the relative lack of typographical control on the web right now, it's best to keep text non-justified.

This problem is solvable (actually solved by TeX 30 years ago).

Try to read the page on a narrow screen like mobile phone, you will know how bad it is without hyphenation.

Re: Glider - A minimal, text-focused theme for Wordpress

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Post by anabis »

callmevlad wrote: post #3

I like the simplicity of it, but almost immediately ran into a usability/navigation issue: - I hit the arrow key to go to the menu, and choose "A Personal API". So far so good. - I click on the arrow again, it just fades out. Ok... let's try the back button. That removes the hash from the URL, but I'm still on "A Personal API". Pressing Forward adds the hash back, but there are no changes on the page. The only option…

same on firefox 16.0 in Win7

Re: Glider - A minimal, text-focused theme for Wordpress

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Post by nicholassmith »

georgemcbay wrote: post #23
bpatrianakos wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, I think the consensus is that fonts are generally better on Mac. And this isn't one of those "Windows sucks because..." things, it's just that in general more fonts look better more often on Mac than Windows. You can definitely point to some fonts that render like crap on a Mac and you can definitely find people who think fonts look better on Windows but really, the truth is, nine times out of ten Mac wins when i…

> It's almost like saying the jury is still out on evolution or global warming. No, it is nothing like that at all. Set up a side-by-side A/B test (such as setting up Safari on Windows to use Mac-rendering) and then ask a bunch of Mac users which they prefer and they will say Mac, ask a bunch of Windows users which they prefer and they will say Windows. There are pros and cons to grid-fitting or not grid-fitting, but…

I know people who use Windows and prefer the way OS X does font rendering, they just hate everything else about the platform.
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