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MuMu Player (NetEase) silently runs 17 reconnaissance commands every 30 minutes

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Re: MuMu Player (NetEase) silently runs 17 reconnaissance commands every 30 minutes

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Post by inventor7777 »

blahgeek wrote: post #14

I would always refer to Hanlon's razor on things like this: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. I'm not trying to finding excuses for them, just saying that most likely there's no deep conspiracy theory involving government level surveillance here, they are just stupid. On average, Chinese software engineers are less educated and have no sense about privacy or how to implement p…

While logging serial number and some of the basic analytics stats might be attributed to stupidity, I tend to think that using a pretty advanced set of system commands and logging output consistently to log files is very sketchy.

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Post by jesterson »

dirasieb wrote: post #17
jesterson wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure where hyperbole is - if your believe it is "fake news", it's your choice. Do chinese apps make use of all data they can access? Absolutely. Do western apps make use of all data they can access? Absolutely. Both concepts are evil. Talking one is evil while dropping off the other is skew of discussion towards vilifying one side and omitting the subject.

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You have nothing to say on the substance I'll take it.

Appreciate if you can point where I "defended chinese spyware" otherwise I would have reasons to call a lie here.

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Post by [deleted] »

djtango wrote: post #6
michaellee8 wrote: post #2

I only run software from Chinese companies inside a sandbox, either on my Android/iOS phone or inside a VM for desktop apps and only enable necessary permissions. Unfortunately Mainland tech giants have no sense of user privacy and would like to maximize their profit by collecting every single bit of your data because they don't profit on selling you the software, they profit on selling your data.

How do you sandbox on mobile? I can't say I love having various apps like wechat on my phone...

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Re: MuMu Player (NetEase) silently runs 17 reconnaissance commands every 30 minutes

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Post by jesterson »

inventor7777 wrote: post #18
jesterson wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> is listening to you and siphoning all data on your local network to China. How is it any different from western apps listening to you and siphoning all data on your local network to 3 letter agencies?

I hear this theory being claimed so much, but I don't see any real evidence for it; we have routers that you can monitor traffic on, we have microphone use indicators on mobile, and I would imagine it would be pretty clear if an app was uploading audio with even very basic monitoring tools. Correct me if I'm wrong, however. I'm not denying that a lot of data is likely surreptitiously collected, but I'm talking microp…

I recall there were quite a few experiments where people use certain keywords heavily just to get closely related ads later on. I can totally relate my experience with it as well. Of course it is inconclusive - but if there is an incentive, management of big companies will venture into it. And chinese management is no different from western ones to that matter.

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Post by brendyn »

djtango wrote: post #6
michaellee8 wrote: post #2

I only run software from Chinese companies inside a sandbox, either on my Android/iOS phone or inside a VM for desktop apps and only enable necessary permissions. Unfortunately Mainland tech giants have no sense of user privacy and would like to maximize their profit by collecting every single bit of your data because they don't profit on selling you the software, they profit on selling your data.

How do you sandbox on mobile? I can't say I love having various apps like wechat on my phone...

Separate grapheneos accounts for everything does that I believe

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Post by 8cvor6j844qw_d6 »

brendyn wrote: post #26
djtango wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you sandbox on mobile? I can't say I love having various apps like wechat on my phone...

Separate grapheneos accounts for everything does that I believe

I went with a separate non-critical phone when I had to communicate on WeChat.

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Post by Hasnep »

nerdsniper wrote: post #4
cwel wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese mainland or mainland US?

China mainland. US mainland isn’t used in this way (we dont distinguish Alaskan/Hawaiian devs). Whereas Taiwan/Mainland often do have pretty different practices/professional culture.

I don't know why you're bringing Taiwan into this, and I don't think TSMC has an app...

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Post by debazel »

jesterson wrote: post #8
pibaker wrote: post #7

Shits like this is what makes me wary about Chinese made video games proliferating in the west. You never know if your kid's genshing impact or black myth wukong is listening to you and siphoning all data on your local network to China. A competent Western administration would have banned it all years ago. But instead of securing the future of Western civilization, they want detente and cheap plastic goods instead. S…

> is listening to you and siphoning all data on your local network to China. How is it any different from western apps listening to you and siphoning all data on your local network to 3 letter agencies?

There's a massive difference between having a country spying on it's own citizen versus having an adversarial country doing it. The three-letter agencies would likely not be trying to sabotage or destroy their own country's economy and global standing for one.
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