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IRS lost 40% of IT staff, 80% of tech leaders in 'efficiency' shakeup

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Re: IRS lost 40% of IT staff, 80% of tech leaders in 'efficiency' shakeup

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8,500 IT workers in the IRS is insane. They barely have any products, and they contract externally for so much other work

They have worked recently to implement a self-hosted tax submission system and given their rate of return while there may be some mismanagement it is one of the most provably efficient organizations in the government netting 415$ for every dollar of funding in 2024.

Re: IRS lost 40% of IT staff, 80% of tech leaders in 'efficiency' shakeup

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Consist strategy in hampering income:

> "Starve the beast" is a political strategy employed by American conservatives to limit government spending[1][2][3] by cutting taxes, to deprive the federal government of revenue in a deliberate effort to force it to reduce spending. The term "the beast", in this context, refers to the United States federal government and the programs it funds, primarily with American tax money, particularly social programs[1] such as education, welfare, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.[3]

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast

Of course the GOP isn't very good at cutting spending, so deficits (and debt) tend to go up under their administration.

Re: IRS lost 40% of IT staff, 80% of tech leaders in 'efficiency' shakeup

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Defunding the IRS is nothing but an effort to reduce tax enforcement. People that have relatively straightforward finances can be trivially audited in a formulaic way with data that's on hand - a lack of human auditing resources tends to benefit those with more complex finances which also tend to be the people with a lot of money who can afford to lobby for less enforcement funding. Also for reference, in 2024 the IR…

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Re: IRS lost 40% of IT staff, 80% of tech leaders in 'efficiency' shakeup

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If you're not asking, "how many of these people did nothing?" you've never worked in the public sector.

Not all public sector jobs are the same. Working for a defense contractor is not the same as working for the IRS. Defense gets money dumped on it year after year. The IRS gets starved year after year.

Re: IRS lost 40% of IT staff, 80% of tech leaders in 'efficiency' shakeup

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If you're not asking, "how many of these people did nothing?" you've never worked in the public sector.

This is the case in all layoffs. Is there a bottom 10% of employees at OpenAI? By definition yes. If you do your absolute best to try and make redundant the bottom 10% of employees at OpenAI, how many of them do you think will actually be in the bottom 10%? I bet it's not all of them, it's probably not even close to half of them.

First you've got the good people who don't like the environment, they'll bite your arm off for the redundancy, then you've got the people who are doing fine but for whatever reason are happy enough to take their chances elsewhere, they'll be happy to be top of the redundancy list. Then you've got the good strong performer who pissed off the wrong person, they'll be on the list too. Then you've got the entire team that is really good and hardworking but senior management figure it's easy to just cut the entire team because their project isn't politically valuable. Before you know it the redundancy list is full and it has no correlation to the bottom 10% of performers, but because it's pretty much an almost random sample it does reduce your company's capability by 10%.

Re: IRS lost 40% of IT staff, 80% of tech leaders in 'efficiency' shakeup

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I'm starting to realize that an LLM isn't gonna take my job, but it's beginning to make the job aggravating enough to quit anyhow. So many managers have decided they're going to have an AI Miracle and aren't interested in hearing otherwise, no matter what staff tells them.

An LLM may take the interesting parts of my job but the parts that suck (dealing with people) will never be taken over by an LLM.

Phone and chat support has already happened, robotic law enforcement is the future. Now pick up that can citizen.

Re: IRS lost 40% of IT staff, 80% of tech leaders in 'efficiency' shakeup

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Starve the beast in action. The less employees the IRS has, the lower the chance there are enough staff on hand to audit the truly uber rich properly.

The low income (under 25k) with EITC, were the largest audited group with 298,485 of 626,204 audits performed in 2022. The rest of those earning under 200k had 250,391 audits.[] 48% of audits were under 25k income. 87% of audits were people under 200k income. Kind of interferes with the idea these audits were all about going after the uber rich. They were way more about going after the poor than they were about going…

Do you think gutting the IRS is going to improve that ratio?

Re: IRS lost 40% of IT staff, 80% of tech leaders in 'efficiency' shakeup

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post #21
post #11

8,500 IT workers in the IRS is insane. They barely have any products, and they contract externally for so much other work

They have worked recently to implement a self-hosted tax submission system and given their rate of return while there may be some mismanagement it is one of the most provably efficient organizations in the government netting 415$ for every dollar of funding in 2024.

Isn’t that a completely bizarre metric though in this instance??! It is specifically the revenue generating arm of the government. If it wasn’t running at a “surplus” that would be very concerning indeed.

Re: IRS lost 40% of IT staff, 80% of tech leaders in 'efficiency' shakeup

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Starve the beast in action. The less employees the IRS has, the lower the chance there are enough staff on hand to audit the truly uber rich properly.

The low income (under 25k) with EITC, were the largest audited group with 298,485 of 626,204 audits performed in 2022. The rest of those earning under 200k had 250,391 audits.[] 48% of audits were under 25k income. 87% of audits were people under 200k income. Kind of interferes with the idea these audits were all about going after the uber rich. They were way more about going after the poor than they were about going…

How many of those <25k audits were completely automated? Going after the poor with an automated script at scale is basically free money for a government without compassion.

Re: IRS lost 40% of IT staff, 80% of tech leaders in 'efficiency' shakeup

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post #23
post #9

Defunding the IRS is nothing but an effort to reduce tax enforcement. People that have relatively straightforward finances can be trivially audited in a formulaic way with data that's on hand - a lack of human auditing resources tends to benefit those with more complex finances which also tend to be the people with a lot of money who can afford to lobby for less enforcement funding. Also for reference, in 2024 the IR…

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Didn’t they just get rid of the IRS automated filing app? You’ll have to kill off TurboTax and siblings to simplify the tax code.
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