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Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by logicprog »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #14
ForHackernews wrote: post #6

This is incredibly impressive and also quite sad. Six years later, we have a very-nearly-right kernel for the M1. Apple is launching the M5. It seems like the future is going to be a world of closed systems and custom silicon, with any free software lagging far behind.

What do you expect when you nerds keep buying their closed systems?

So all of the nerds that care about open platforms stop buying their systems. Everyone else is going to keep doing it and they number us massively.

And then there's the fact that it's still a dark ending if the best hardware out there — even if we all refuse to buy it because we're on a moral high ground — is a closed platform that we have to refuse to buy.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by Noaidi »

Just came to praise the seven heroic souls who are working on this wonderful project that my M1 is just waiting to install once battery life meets my needs. And may I ask why, with all the crypto and tech money floating around, does Asahi not have a fully funded staff of fifty people?

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by lm28469 »

ForHackernews wrote: post #6

This is incredibly impressive and also quite sad. Six years later, we have a very-nearly-right kernel for the M1. Apple is launching the M5. It seems like the future is going to be a world of closed systems and custom silicon, with any free software lagging far behind.

At least Apple usually supports their hardware for ~7 years so that's plenty of time to get Asahi working on newer Ms. I don't care too much about getting instant support but I definitely care about having the option to use my hardware more than 7 years

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by joleyj »

qdotme wrote: post #17
joleyj wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of my software development career was spent working at a small company that sold a product that emulated the operating system developed and sold by a much, much larger company. The work was interesting and when you had a breakthrough or a small victory, it sure felt good. The challenge of keeping up was exhilarating and kept folks motivated to keep pressing forward. But eventually it wears you down. It's nearly…

Except they did with Wine, in a way. They got to the point where sufficient number of third party software developers target the common base between Wine and Windows (Steam/Proton), electing to have broader compatibility rather than catching all the newest Windows-only APIs. I wonder how much similar behavior influence other buying choices. I’ve been eyeing an upgrade from M1 for a while - so far punting on it, mostl…

I guess I wasn't aware that Wine pivoted from trying to be a general purpose, drop-in replacement for Windows to being a platform for games that only supports a subset of Windows functionality.

It's much more difficult to keep current and support the full functionality of a much larger competitor's offering when you have to support everything. In my experience it was an all or nothing proposition. Either you emulated it 100% or you had nothing. I think Asahi is more in this realm maybe than Wine. It really needs to support all the hardware, 100%, or it's value is greatly diminished.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by worldsavior »

sohrob wrote: post #2

I often wonder whether the folks at Apple have the Asahi team on their radar. Are they in awe of the reverse engineering marvels coming out of the Asahi project, or are they indifferent to it?

I don't think they care. It brings more customers to Apple.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by secondcoming »

Noaidi wrote: post #22

Just came to praise the seven heroic souls who are working on this wonderful project that my M1 is just waiting to install once battery life meets my needs. And may I ask why, with all the crypto and tech money floating around, does Asahi not have a fully funded staff of fifty people?

Perhaps you should make the first step towards funding?

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by haunter »

gr4vityWall wrote: post #3

Great work. I believe used M1/M2 machines will be favored by young developers as their personal fun laptop in a few years, like the Thinkpad T420 used to be. For different reasons, of course. Do the M4 and M5 GPUs also change a lot from the M3? I hope it's not too much work to get those going once M3 is usable.

I just like the build quality and they are reaching the 200€ threshold on the used market. I bought one with 16GB RAM and a small black strip one the side of the screen (don’t bother me) for 230€ last week

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by chippiewill »

sohrob wrote: post #2

I often wonder whether the folks at Apple have the Asahi team on their radar. Are they in awe of the reverse engineering marvels coming out of the Asahi project, or are they indifferent to it?

IIRC Marcan mentioned something he found that had been deliberately put into the Mac boot loader that made booting alternative operating systems easier and perhaps making it possible altogether.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by jsheard »

chippiewill wrote: post #28
sohrob wrote: post #2

I often wonder whether the folks at Apple have the Asahi team on their radar. Are they in awe of the reverse engineering marvels coming out of the Asahi project, or are they indifferent to it?

IIRC Marcan mentioned something he found that had been deliberately put into the Mac boot loader that made booting alternative operating systems easier and perhaps making it possible altogether.

That's apparent enough from the fact that you don't need a jailbreak exploit to boot non-Apple-signed kernels on a Mac, unlike iPads with exactly the same silicon. They are intentionally configured differently.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Report: Linux 6.19

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Post by imglorp »

jsheard wrote: post #29
chippiewill wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC Marcan mentioned something he found that had been deliberately put into the Mac boot loader that made booting alternative operating systems easier and perhaps making it possible altogether.

That's apparent enough from the fact that you don't need a jailbreak exploit to boot non-Apple-signed kernels on a Mac, unlike iPads with exactly the same silicon. They are intentionally configured differently.

Why the locking difference on platforms?

I so want to run my os on ipad and save it from the ewaste bin.

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