Is there an actually good alternative? I guess we're gonna swap to something on top of Matrix but I would really really like something that has the same streaming/voice chat capability and idioms. Probably half the time I'm using discord I'm in voice chat, and probably half the time I'm doing that I'm screen sharing, is there some way I can keep doing that?
Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder
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Re: Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Stoat, Zulip, and Mattermost are other options. Element was a bit too raw for me - mobile wasn’t great either. Ymmv
Zulip is definitely not an alternative to discord but I'll check out the others.
There are different types of communities on discord. Zulip will be a good idea for some of them.
Re: Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because these things are linked https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/23/us/gamergate-harassment-reddi...
You must be new the internet was toxic before their was an internet. I've seen BBS fights where people would find out where someone lived and shoot up the place, set it on fire or attack another person. Some BBS scenes attracted some shady characters.
That existed sort of largely outside the public sphere. There was a digital dual in those old times.
Now, there is no digital dual. https://www.roughtype.com/?p=2090
And worse here, the very worst have figured out how to keep making reality pay attention to the absolute garbage misery show. A newsgroup dust-up might have caught some small coverage, but the way the troll-forces of the world have mobilized and radicalized their shitizens at scale, and the stochastic terror they have focused on creating: it keeps the rest of reality all too glued to the sick farce programming the aggressor forces against the world anti-campaign on.
Re: Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder
#24Something I don't quite understand about this Discord fiasco.
Every single thing you ever put into discord via text or voice has already and was already being sold to advertisers. If you were ever logged into Google simultaneously while on Discord it's already linked up to the real information they have about you.
I've just seen numerous things I've talked about or typed about with friends promptly appear on my YouTube feeds.
So like.. ?
Re: Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder
#25Something I don't quite understand about this Discord fiasco. Every single thing you ever put into discord via text or voice has already and was already being sold to advertisers. If you were ever logged into Google simultaneously while on Discord it's already linked up to the real information they have about you. I've just seen numerous things I've talked about or typed about with friends promptly appear on my YouTu…
So like what? There's clearly a difference. The new thing is worse, and stacks with the already bad stuff. So like... fiasco.
Re: Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder
#26Just my take but if a company is using anything other than RTA server headers [1] for age verification then there are shenanigans afoot. This should be assumed. If it's not palantir it will be some other dark pattern and will only spread like a virus. Numerous entities are salivating at all the opportunities "age verification" will give them. With time a persons PII will end up being shared with a myriad of shady entities and leaked to all-the-bad-people leading to the creation of even more artificial business models that should have never existed in the first place. Do not accept this behavior otherwise a fascist 3rd party will eventually be required for all internet access.
Ideal Solution (that has existed for a very long time): Legislate the requirements for most clients used by young children to look for the RTA server header and trigger parental controls if the parent thinks they should be enabled. It's not perfect, nothing is nor ever will be but using the header solution is entirely private, does not store or leak data and puts the decision into the device owners rather than creating perverse incentives to track everyone. It may actually protect most small children whereas today teens quickly find a work-around and then teach smaller children how to work around these centralized gate-keepers. The current solutions are just about tracking people by real identity and incentivizing teens to commit identity crimes thus feeding the prison industrial complex. Parents are already legally responsible for their offspring. If parents are having difficulty with raising their children that is a different problem and would require a different solution after significant critical thinking.
Less Than Ideal solution: Create a maintain multiple deny-lists of domains that are using 3rd party age verification or gathering personal data in any way shape or form. Incorporate the deny-lists into uBlock and related add-ons.
Non starters: Anything that suggests the 3rd party verification is anonymous and includes cryptographic terminology. It may start off anonymous and with time the verification will include a unique code that can be reversed through some obfuscated method. Anything involving a 3rd party whether directly or indirectly must be entirely rejected.
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Re: Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder
#27Yes, and? This sounds like a guilt-by-association accusation with no relevance. Anyway, people are free not to use Discord if they don't like their age verification feature. It is one chat service amongst many, not a monopoly.
Yes, and? people are free not to be concerned if they don't think it's a problem. They're free to say they're not concerned. They're free to suggest others shouldn't be concerned. They're free to phrase that suggestion in a highly dismissive way. They're free to add distracting noise by pointing out the obvious. They're free to draw attention to noise by pointing at it. They're free to feel bad about doing it. They're free to click the submit button anyway. Sorry.
Re: Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder
#28Something I don't quite understand about this Discord fiasco. Every single thing you ever put into discord via text or voice has already and was already being sold to advertisers. If you were ever logged into Google simultaneously while on Discord it's already linked up to the real information they have about you. I've just seen numerous things I've talked about or typed about with friends promptly appear on my YouTu…
1. Citation needed. Why would Google be secretly ingesting all of your Discord messages and be using it for... YouTube recommendations? Baader-Meinhof phenomenon is a more likely explanation
2. Already collecting a lot of data is not a reason to collect even more sensitive data. Plenty of people use Discord differently than you do. Anonymously participating in projects that use Discord and never saying anything personal over it, for example. This would possibly remove the ability to do so, for example if Discord's secretive AI decided that an LGBTQ+ project's Discord should be age restricted, and you would be forced to submit enough information to be fully identified and deanonymized, and now some foreign government could build a database that includes your full identity and your affiliation to such project
Re: Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder
#29Reminder that HN is SV centered and therefore everyone and everything is oriented around tribal group think.
Meta was funded by Thiel, yet most of the people in this thread use their products.
The CCP has technology that dwarfs Palantir, but a ton of people in this thread use TikTok, because they don't recognize fascism unless it's perpetrated by somebody that looks like the Nazis they see in movies.
I grew up around brainwashed religious zealots. I hated it. Everything was this moralistic condemnation and guilt by association game, played by people who had absolutely no sense of perspective and had zero interactions outside of there group think circles. Constantly condemning people they don't know and have never met and don't understand.
I've been on HN for 13 years now. It looks more and more like that every day.
This comment will be down voted without any substantive critique other than "I guess you're a fascist too."
Meanwhile, Discord will not have the slightest tiny drop in user numbers, because nobody outside of this moralistic circle jerk cares.
Re: Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
You must be new the internet was toxic before their was an internet. I've seen BBS fights where people would find out where someone lived and shoot up the place, set it on fire or attack another person. Some BBS scenes attracted some shady characters.
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Someone who is clutching pearls at trolling shouldn't be trolling others. It makes you look silly and makes your point moot. If trolling is the worst thing then why troll? It sounds like you are fighting a battle within yourself.