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Facebook, I want my friends back

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Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

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Post by aneth4 »

tomasien wrote: post #3

Look I can understand the "oh it's so convenient that you can now pay to promote your posts" but the "turning down the volume" on the Newsfeed was done because our Newsfeeds were getting overrun. People added too many friends, thousands more than the 150 it's been proven we can reasonably empathize with, and people were doing more and more on the network. You can STILL see posts of your favorite bands by going to the…

Convenient that this is also a windfall for Facebook - you know, it's for OUR benefit.

Consider why Facebook doesn't have a "more" button for users tired of staring at the same Facebook filtered posts. Because that would be giving users what the want without charging anyone. (Even the recent posts sort - a hidden option - doesn't seem to work anymore)

This is extortion and anti-user. No bones about it. Users requested this information in their feed and it would be trivial to give it to them. It's fine to filter, but not fine to not allow unfiltering.

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

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Post by codegeek »

brokentone wrote: post #13

Facebook has put themselves in an ideal situation. We're at the point in social media marketing that businesses can't survive without one, in fact they spend a lot of advertising money and placement in advertising their presence on Facebook, which is primarily an advertisement for Facebook. Every new connection, time on site, or new user to like your page is a huge win for them. Do we as business and individuals real…

"We're at the point in social media marketing that businesses can't survive without one"

This statement is probably a bit of a stretch even in 2012.

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

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Post by natrius »

jonknee wrote: post #8

They're doing the same thing with non-fan pages. If you want your content to go to your friends you now have to pay for the privilege. It's nuts. I haven't been on Facebook since I saw this, they can keep their social graph.

Facebook has enough data to know how close you are to people, and there's even a "Close Friends" list you can add people to in order to see all of their posts. Your friends who want to see your posts will see them. Those who are ambivalent might not, and you can pay to make it show up for them.

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

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Post by sequoia »

The whole premise of this article is "Facebook gave me this access to their platform for free hitherto, so I'm entitled to this access on those same terms in perpetuity; it's unfair for them to start charging for it." I don't see the author explaini why s/he is entitled to these same terms forever.

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

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Post by pdog »

tomasien wrote: post #3

Look I can understand the "oh it's so convenient that you can now pay to promote your posts" but the "turning down the volume" on the Newsfeed was done because our Newsfeeds were getting overrun. People added too many friends, thousands more than the 150 it's been proven we can reasonably empathize with, and people were doing more and more on the network. You can STILL see posts of your favorite bands by going to the…

Minor nitpick: Dunbar's number[1] hasn't been proven.

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[1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

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Post by bennyg »

gbaygon wrote: post #18
KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #12

He's confused, he thinks he's facebook's customer. Facebook's customers are its users. Keeping the uexperience up is the first priority.

Facebook users aren't its customers, facebook users are its products. Better think again.

Yeah but it's a little bit trickier than that. If Facebook does things that alienate users, then those products will walk off the shelf - and not into someone's shopping cart.

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

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Post by chaz »

If you're posting 10-16 posts a day and you forcibly put each of these into 100% of your fans, you're going to shrink your base. If you did that to me, I'm going to hide or Unlike your page. If you emailed me those posts, I'd be hitting unsubscribe in half a day. The Facebook News Feed isn't an RSS reader, and the Like button isn't Subscribe.

I would suggest just posting once a day, and using the Promoted Posts for the occasional big news that you want to make sure everyone reads.

Facebook pages isn't a panacea for brands or publishers -- not by a long shot. That panacea is one of those Frighteningly Ambitious Startup Ideas.

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

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Post by timmaah »

sequoia wrote: post #24

The whole premise of this article is "Facebook gave me this access to their platform for free hitherto, so I'm entitled to this access on those same terms in perpetuity; it's unfair for them to start charging for it." I don't see the author explaini why s/he is entitled to these same terms forever.

I think this quote explains it nicely:

>I used to get a great deal from using Facebook—but I understood it to be a two-way reciprocal arrangement because I was driving traffic back to Facebook as well, and reinforcing their brand awareness with prominent widgets on our blog

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

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Post by ceejayoz »

Nowyouknow wrote: post #16
jonknee wrote: post #8

They're doing the same thing with non-fan pages. If you want your content to go to your friends you now have to pay for the privilege. It's nuts. I haven't been on Facebook since I saw this, they can keep their social graph.

It is nuts. We're ALREADY paying customers by providing our data to Facebook. Now we have to pay to be heard? MySpace may actually take off when people begin to realize this.

You have an odd definition of "paying customers".
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