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Re: Quartz crystals

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The article is a nostalgic reminder of when I was first interested in electronics and got interested in quartz resonators for projects. Grinding down old war surplus FT243-style crystals and other types so as to resonate at frequencies I needed was a common practice with hobbyists back then. I used many similar techniques to the same end of removing quartz which raised its frequency. Grinding materials included abras…

That sinking feeling of knowing you've ground off just a bit too much...

Re: Quartz crystals

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Believe or not, when I explained to many non techies how quartz watches work and how any computers’ hardware clocks work in the same principle, they were all surprised how elegant and how efficient the mechanism is. I was also impressed when I first learned about it. True science and engineering beauty.

Have a look at the company Silicon Time, they make the most amazing little devices.

Re: Quartz crystals

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The article is a nostalgic reminder of when I was first interested in electronics and got interested in quartz resonators for projects. Grinding down old war surplus FT243-style crystals and other types so as to resonate at frequencies I needed was a common practice with hobbyists back then. I used many similar techniques to the same end of removing quartz which raised its frequency. Grinding materials included abras…

That sinking feeling of knowing you've ground off just a bit too much...

I've just spent the weekend tuning brass reeds from an organ. It sounds like a very similar process, except you can grind both ends of the tongue to raise and lower frequency.

And, if you're sneaky, you can add solder.

Re: Quartz crystals

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That sinking feeling of knowing you've ground off just a bit too much...

I've just spent the weekend tuning brass reeds from an organ. It sounds like a very similar process, except you can grind both ends of the tongue to raise and lower frequency. And, if you're sneaky, you can add solder.

Oh that is so cool. I played the one in Liepaja, Latvia for a bit and it was absolutely amazing. It's love/hate for me (like the harpsichord), I love the instruments but I usually do not like the music that is played on them because of the grating effect. I have pretty bad tinnitus which really spoils a lot of music for me, extremely annoying.

Re: Quartz crystals

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I remember when I worked at Motorola some decades ago, there was a little section in the factory area in Schaumburg that made quartz crystals. It's all long since been sold off (I think all the equipment went to China) but I remember all the signs for cyanide alarms, presumably due to some step in the manufacturing process.

The quartz crystals themselves were grown with carefully controlled levels of specific impurities (like scandium) in order to reduce their temperature sensitivity.

Re: Quartz crystals

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The article is a nostalgic reminder of when I was first interested in electronics and got interested in quartz resonators for projects. Grinding down old war surplus FT243-style crystals and other types so as to resonate at frequencies I needed was a common practice with hobbyists back then. I used many similar techniques to the same end of removing quartz which raised its frequency. Grinding materials included abras…

> BTW, the mentioning of HF will likely horrify chem-phobic readers I would not say I am chem-phobic, but yes indeed that stood out. HF is nasty stuff, and yes requires some care I suspect. The other details are fascinating, though - the intersection of mechanical, crystallographic, and RF (?) properties of a crystal that you can adjust through abrasives and selection of the cut.

Working with HF was extremely difficult before WWII, but it has become much easier after the invention of Teflon.

Teflon is not affected by HF, so if you use only vessels of Teflon to hold the HF solution and tweezers made of Teflon for handling anything that you submerge in the solution of HF, it works fine.

Besides using Teflon for anything that is in contact with the HF solution, you must do all work under a hood that evacuates the vapors of HF emitted by the solution, otherwise handling a HF solution would be very dangerous. It is good that gaseous HF is lighter than air, so after being evacuated it will continue to rise in the air, while becoming more and more diluted.

Re: Quartz crystals

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sinking feeling of knowing you've ground off just a bit too much...

I've just spent the weekend tuning brass reeds from an organ. It sounds like a very similar process, except you can grind both ends of the tongue to raise and lower frequency. And, if you're sneaky, you can add solder.

Adding solder has also been frequently used to correct the resonance frequency of quartz crystals that have been ground too much, and I mean during industrial mass-production, not only in a home-lab setting.

Re: Quartz crystals

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You mean could you get it down to a low enough frequency? Hmm I guess you can get down into audio frequency but maybe the amplitude will be tiny, you probably want a piezo mechanism that will give you more of a rumble.

There are piezo buzzers and beepers, of course.

Yes, but those normally just convert the electrical oscillations to sounds, they are not parts of the oscillators that determine the audible frequency.

In the past, audio RC oscillators or LC oscillators were used, with the former being preferred as the latter required too bulky inductors to reach so low frequencies.

Nowadays, it is usually simpler to not use any audio oscillator, but to use some microcontroller that divides the frequency of its clock until reaching the desired audio frequency.

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