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Bye Bye Humanity: The Potential AMOC Collapse

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Re: Bye Bye Humanity: The Potential AMOC Collapse

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f_allwein wrote: post #18
renewiltord wrote: post #5

Is this real? https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/research-frontiers/how-a-swiss-... Says it’s not. Seems like this kind of disaster engagement bait that’s super popular now

Here’s the science: https://www.pik-potsdam.de/en/news/latest-news/possible-nort... „Under high-emission scenarios, the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), a key system of ocean currents that also includes the Gulf Stream, could shut down after the year 2100.“

75 years to work on a solution to a possible problem? I rate humanity’s chances. But Europe is responsible for a third of cumulative emissions. Once they undo that bit it should be okay. Negative emissions for 75 years will be hard but they can perhaps undo the damage they’ve done to the Earth.

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Post by roxolotl »

renewiltord wrote: post #5

Is this real? https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/research-frontiers/how-a-swiss-... Says it’s not. Seems like this kind of disaster engagement bait that’s super popular now

I bet this is the research cited here in the parent article[0]. While the title is totally bait the contents is far from engagement bait. It’s a very level headed piece about what might happen and the research around the AMOC.

0: https://thatjoescott.com/2026/02/03/bye-bye-humanity-the-pot...

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Post by fallinditch »

shrubby wrote: post #4

This scary, yet almost nothing on the news. We're living in a fake world and pretending everything is fine. Adam Curtis made a movie HyperNormalisation and we're living it also today. Adam Curtis: “HyperNormalisation” is a word that was coined by a brilliant Russian historian who was writing about what it was like to live in the last years of the Soviet Union. What he said, which I thought was absolutely fascinating,…

Well worth watching, Adam Curtis takes you on a wild ride around recent history and strings together an amazing viewpoint - intentionally fucking with how you emotionally understand the present, by showing how power, myth, and simplification interact over time.

Full film at https://youtu.be/to72IJzQT5k

Re: Bye Bye Humanity: The Potential AMOC Collapse

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Post by Ygg2 »

coldtea wrote: post #17
Ygg2 wrote: post #11

AMOC makes Europe hotter than expected, and US east coast colder. Europe is already hotter than expected. AMOC collapse in a heating world wouldn't mean much. It seems to me that whatever cooling from it will be offset by global warming. AMOC could be a generally bad thing for biodiversity or crops, but it's not going to stop global warming.

That's some industrial level cope. "Climate disaster affecting a mechanism Europe depended for millenia to keep warm? No biggie, we are already have another climate disaster making Europe hotter, they'll just cancel each other out" Not just second and third order effects, many can't even understand first level effects.

Where is the cope? I said things will suck. US gets hotter, Europe gets colder and there are cascading effects from those. Changed weather patterns and biodiversity loss as temperatures rapidly shift.

That said, a new ice age it will not be. If your local temperatures get closer to polar, and polar gets closer to tropic, I don't see the logic of it will cause an ice age. You can't have AMOC positive feedback loop from albedo if enough ice doesn't form.

And you didn't provide any mechanisms outside of ad hominems.

Not to mention past AMOC data is missing one key parameter - Humanity. On account of us not being there. What happens when humans are cold? They warm themselves usually with CO2 emitting heat sources. Last time AMOC was around only CO2 source was the volcano. They don't care about heat.

We know how to warm up the planet. It's cooling down without massive casualties that's hard.

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Post by helloplanets »

coldtea wrote: post #14
shrubby wrote: post #4

This scary, yet almost nothing on the news. We're living in a fake world and pretending everything is fine. Adam Curtis made a movie HyperNormalisation and we're living it also today. Adam Curtis: “HyperNormalisation” is a word that was coined by a brilliant Russian historian who was writing about what it was like to live in the last years of the Soviet Union. What he said, which I thought was absolutely fascinating,…

The top politicians, academics, businessmen, can party with underage children and even torture them, or dicuss blatant undemocratic actions that impact billions, and it's business as usual. You think they'd care for something as remote as the AMOC collapse?

Isn't this exactly the point the original post is making?

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Post by [deleted] »

roenxi wrote: post #15
shrubby wrote: post #4

This scary, yet almost nothing on the news. We're living in a fake world and pretending everything is fine. Adam Curtis made a movie HyperNormalisation and we're living it also today. Adam Curtis: “HyperNormalisation” is a word that was coined by a brilliant Russian historian who was writing about what it was like to live in the last years of the Soviet Union. What he said, which I thought was absolutely fascinating,…

It isn't actually all that scary; humans cope pretty well over a wide variety of temperatures. If the change caught everyone by surprise it'd be a huge problem but it seems to be fairly well understood and there is lots of time to adjust. Worst case scenario seems to be that people will stop migrating to Europe.

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Post by [deleted] »

renewiltord wrote: post #21
f_allwein wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here’s the science: https://www.pik-potsdam.de/en/news/latest-news/possible-nort... „Under high-emission scenarios, the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), a key system of ocean currents that also includes the Gulf Stream, could shut down after the year 2100.“

75 years to work on a solution to a possible problem? I rate humanity’s chances. But Europe is responsible for a third of cumulative emissions. Once they undo that bit it should be okay. Negative emissions for 75 years will be hard but they can perhaps undo the damage they’ve done to the Earth.

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