Another issue the author didn't mention, but I sometimes encounter, is that when you copy richly-formatted tables to paste in Excel or some other software, it often includes unwanted HTML tags. I usually have to use regex or at least a search and replace to make the table sortable and filterable. I imagine this could similarly be an issue with screen readers, but haven't tested it.
Stop using icons in data tables
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Re: Stop using icons in data tables
#22Re: Stop using icons in data tables
#23The title is misleading. The message is really: Stop using unlabeled icons in data tables. It says, "Norman Nielson argues that text + icon has the highest cognitive recall and lowest error rate" Here's what the Nielsen Norman Group says about Icon Usability: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/icon-usability/ The conclusion: "Always include a visible text label. As Bruce Tognazzini once said, 'a word is worth a thousan…
I think the reference to Norman Nielsen was confusing. At the end of the article the author likens icons to visual speed bumps in a data table. The implication being to avoid them or at the very least use sparingly.
Re: Stop using icons in data tables
#24Another issue the author didn't mention, but I sometimes encounter, is that when you copy richly-formatted tables to paste in Excel or some other software, it often includes unwanted HTML tags. I usually have to use regex or at least a search and replace to make the table sortable and filterable. I imagine this could similarly be an issue with screen readers, but haven't tested it.
thats why all data should just be presented in an excel pivot table from the start
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#25All the example table images seem fine, and have no captions saying whether they're supposed to be examples of good usage or bad usage.
So either I have no idea what "bad" examples of icon usage are because the author doesn't show any, or the author thinks some or all of them are bad when, to me, the icon+text+color examples seem great (and one figure caption indicates icons+labels are best)?
Yet the author continues to argue against icons and to use text instead? But never says whether icons+labels are actually better than just text, so we should use them in combination?
I'm baffled. For an article arguing for greater clarity, the article itself couldn't be less clear.
Re: Stop using icons in data tables
#26The title is misleading. The message is really: Stop using unlabeled icons in data tables. It says, "Norman Nielson argues that text + icon has the highest cognitive recall and lowest error rate" Here's what the Nielsen Norman Group says about Icon Usability: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/icon-usability/ The conclusion: "Always include a visible text label. As Bruce Tognazzini once said, 'a word is worth a thousan…
I haven't found a good general solution to that. Hover doesn't work on mobile. A legend map is hard to locate. "Expert mode" introduces new problems.
Sometimes I'll just use an unlabeled button and make whatever it is undoable, so that users can just click and discover. But that's hostile to completely new users.
Re: Stop using icons in data tables
#27The title is misleading. The message is really: Stop using unlabeled icons in data tables. It says, "Norman Nielson argues that text + icon has the highest cognitive recall and lowest error rate" Here's what the Nielsen Norman Group says about Icon Usability: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/icon-usability/ The conclusion: "Always include a visible text label. As Bruce Tognazzini once said, 'a word is worth a thousan…
Re: Stop using icons in data tables
#28The title is misleading. The message is really: Stop using unlabeled icons in data tables. It says, "Norman Nielson argues that text + icon has the highest cognitive recall and lowest error rate" Here's what the Nielsen Norman Group says about Icon Usability: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/icon-usability/ The conclusion: "Always include a visible text label. As Bruce Tognazzini once said, 'a word is worth a thousan…
As computer OSes became globalized, i18n and l10n began to demand that we abandon English words to describe GUI actions. I believe this was the correct decision.
So I viewed icons+text in a GUI as transitional, a learning period. I learned to recognize the icons for what they represent, the skeumorphism of it all, while the icons plus text were displayed on my screen (I mostly used Ubuntu and KDE.)
When the time was right, I toggled the setting to remove the text altogether. I was ready to spread my wings and fly through an icon-rich UX that no longer relied on words or text to convey rich meanings.
Now this means that I can make mistakes or I need to experiment in terms of "What does THIS button do?!" in order to learn new icon vocabulary. But I definitely prefer it now to the English text, and really if anyone uses a modern device proficiently, they've picked up a decent vocabulary for this already.
Many people neglect to take into account that, for example, an app in an app store is represented more strongly by its chosen icon and branding than its title! Google Play lets us search by name, but that is not very efficient when I'm searching for a particular icon by description!
It also presents challenges to verbal tech support, whether by phone, by Meet, or over the shoulder, because how do you describe graphical icons and gestures? How to translate them back into English words? UI/UX designers have a hidden vocabulary for controls and widgets that aren't common knowledge, but can really enhance understanding once we can name them the same way the pros do.
Yes, icons can be used badly. Yes, people who are still learning may lean on text labels too. But graphical UIs are mature and we all need to acquire a vocabulary for these, so that information is conveyed across national and linguistic barriers.
Re: Stop using icons in data tables
#29Nobody with a brain is reacting to this (me excluded).
Grow up.
Re: Stop using icons in data tables
#30The title is misleading. The message is really: Stop using unlabeled icons in data tables. It says, "Norman Nielson argues that text + icon has the highest cognitive recall and lowest error rate" Here's what the Nielsen Norman Group says about Icon Usability: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/icon-usability/ The conclusion: "Always include a visible text label. As Bruce Tognazzini once said, 'a word is worth a thousan…
I was wondering... is OP in fact saying it should be just words, without the icons next to them? Which is an opinion you could have, I think it's not entirely unreasonable (although as you say Nielson contradicts), but I wasn't entirely confident it is the point OP is making... or are they just talking about unlabelled icons (few if any? I'm not sure?) in those screenshots?
I still am not totally sure what OP is arguing.