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Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by repelsteeltje »

pyrale wrote: post #8
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #4

Help me here Why can’t a company in the EU make a secure video/voice chat app? There’s are EU companies that make teams alternatives: https://euroalternative.eu/alternatives/microsoft-teams Even if those don’t work SAP, Dassault, etc… make massively complex software and services across multiple verticals and could trivially ship a competitor

> Why can’t a company in the EU make a secure video/voice chat app? What makes you think they can't? Microsoft's corporate edge isn't merely the product, it's also an army of sales, entrenched corporate markets/clients, lock-in, etc. You could have a better version of their product and still get eaten alive.

In the Netherlands, a lot of government systems aren't procured from the Microsofts of this world. There are a lot of middle men (consultancy agencies) involved that over the years have helped build a strong ecosystem with lots of expertise around Microsoft and related suppliers.

So indeed, it's not like you can just replace a software product (or service) by some EU or open alternative. And there are huge vested interests.

Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by Arathorn »

trueismywork wrote: post #16
neom wrote: post #12

I'm surprised Mattermost doesn't get more love generally, it's fully oss isn't it? https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost

No. It's not fully OSS.

it’s also not decentralised (unless you bridge it to Matrix), nor end-to-end-encrypted. or standards based.

Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by Macha »

mhitza wrote: post #14

Can someone that uses Matrix compare it to Zulip? Which would have been my "obvious" choice. Is it functionally comparable, discussion threads and all? Or is it much closer to something like Discord?

Matrix has threads. So does discord, but discords UI around them basically renders them functionally useless.

Anyway, the first goal listed in this project was to move to European sovereign solutions so Zulip failed at the first hurdle.

Given the (lack of) speed of European bureaucracy, this is likely more a reaction to the US sanctioning the ICC than the more recent Greenland saber rattling, but you'll probably see more of this in the future.

Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by cardanome »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #4

Help me here Why can’t a company in the EU make a secure video/voice chat app? There’s are EU companies that make teams alternatives: https://euroalternative.eu/alternatives/microsoft-teams Even if those don’t work SAP, Dassault, etc… make massively complex software and services across multiple verticals and could trivially ship a competitor

I mean German police is using Palantir.

There is nothing magic about Palantir, especially not about the subset of Palantir that the German police uses as we have stricter data privacy laws.

You might think that would be a strategic risk not worth taking especially with the US getting more hostile towards Europe but here we are.

Why? Honestly I don't have a good answer other than well the whole system is rotten, corruption, lobbyism, take your pick.

Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by soperj »

simianwords wrote: post #11

I don’t know how Teams even got the approval to be released. It must be so embarrassing to be Satya and be forced to use this shitty piece of software. I can’t believe that software of this quality is used so widely. Market competitive forces are not able to do their thing unfortunately.

I felt the same way when I was forced to use Word over Wordperfect, and Powerpoint over Harvard Graphics

Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by librasteve »

simianwords wrote: post #11

I don’t know how Teams even got the approval to be released. It must be so embarrassing to be Satya and be forced to use this shitty piece of software. I can’t believe that software of this quality is used so widely. Market competitive forces are not able to do their thing unfortunately.

errr market monopoly forces are doing their thing … the point is that only a govt can force eg an OS + APP anticompetitive monopoly provider to split up into multiple companies

Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by [deleted] »

saubeidl wrote: post #9
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #4

Help me here Why can’t a company in the EU make a secure video/voice chat app? There’s are EU companies that make teams alternatives: https://euroalternative.eu/alternatives/microsoft-teams Even if those don’t work SAP, Dassault, etc… make massively complex software and services across multiple verticals and could trivially ship a competitor

The french government recently did: https://github.com/suitenumerique/meet

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Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by badc0ffee »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #4

Help me here Why can’t a company in the EU make a secure video/voice chat app? There’s are EU companies that make teams alternatives: https://euroalternative.eu/alternatives/microsoft-teams Even if those don’t work SAP, Dassault, etc… make massively complex software and services across multiple verticals and could trivially ship a competitor

The idea of the likes of SAP spinning up a new product quickly and painlessly seems like a joke.

Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by pseudalopex »

neom wrote: post #12

I'm surprised Mattermost doesn't get more love generally, it's fully oss isn't it? https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost

Mattermost's license statements are confusing and contradictory.[1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46861331

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