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Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by sham1 »

hikkerl wrote: post #13
doctoboggan wrote: post #5

Hopefully this is a wakeup call to the software engineers and other employees at those companies - it's no longer a hypothetical future where the tools you are building might be abused, it's today.

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I'm not the poster you replied to, but absolutely. Now personally I don't believe that this data should exist in the first place, but using it for law enforcement purposes is just very shilling and even worse than its "normal" use. I would think that someone with a fresh burner account would agree.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by tokyobreakfast »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #16
hikkerl wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That implies a crime was committed. I think you’ll find people on HN fairly unsupportive of population wide surveillance. Getting a warrant from a judge is far better than ICE doing what they’re currently doing.

Unless of course that population wide surveillance pays $150k+/yr, with unlimited free snacks and gym membership, then all bets are off.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by int0x29 »

hikkerl wrote: post #13
doctoboggan wrote: post #5

Hopefully this is a wakeup call to the software engineers and other employees at those companies - it's no longer a hypothetical future where the tools you are building might be abused, it's today.

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Get a warrant. The federal government should not be "soliciting vendors" for my location.

I love how the accounts defending ICE are always brand new.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by ianbutler »

stephantul wrote: post #20

This has bean a long time coming. This is a stark reminder that you should consider who the future stewards of whatever you are building might be. We built a vast surveillance network under the guise of servings ads and making money, and lost track of how this power could be abused by an entity not aligned with our own values.

Don't lump me in that "we". I did no such thing. I know exactly how it could be abused and have spent 12 years intentionally not working for companies that perpetuate it.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by s5300 »

stephantul wrote: post #20

This has bean a long time coming. This is a stark reminder that you should consider who the future stewards of whatever you are building might be. We built a vast surveillance network under the guise of servings ads and making money, and lost track of how this power could be abused by an entity not aligned with our own values.

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Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by anonym29 »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #17
badbird3 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite the high horse you got there

It’s worth pointing out that a non-insignificant subset of tech workers know the impacts and still don’t give a fuck though.

A lot of them are even proud of being the loyal partners of the US intelligence community, which includes DHS and ICE.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by stephantul »

ianbutler wrote: post #25
stephantul wrote: post #20

This has bean a long time coming. This is a stark reminder that you should consider who the future stewards of whatever you are building might be. We built a vast surveillance network under the guise of servings ads and making money, and lost track of how this power could be abused by an entity not aligned with our own values.

Don't lump me in that "we". I did no such thing. I know exactly how it could be abused and have spent 12 years intentionally not working for companies that perpetuate it.

Well I guess I mean the pubic in general. I also don’t necessarily mean willfully creating technology that can be abused.

For example, we all stood by when we let Twitter and other US-based social media become the main way politicians communicate with the public. This has, in my opinion, had disastrous consequences on how they communicate and actively blocks politicians from achieving consensus.

This is to say that you don’t need to have actively worked on something.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #17
badbird3 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite the high horse you got there

It’s worth pointing out that a non-insignificant subset of tech workers know the impacts and still don’t give a fuck though.

@anoym - There isn’t something inherently bad about working for law enforcement or national security agencies as long as what you’re doing cannot be used now or in the future unethically. But too be honest I think this is a ‘don’t hate the player’ type things, if palantir didn’t exist, another company would take its place - privacy legislation is the only thing that prevents it, not relying on ethics of the masses.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Post by michaelsshaw »

tosapple wrote: post #19
emodendroket wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there is really anything "woke" about wanting to sell products to people who speak Spanish but what do I know. What does this even have to do with the article?

First it's your nationality, then your language. Next maybe you're church or your music. Data is a liability, it's omnipresent. Permeating.

Maximum incoherence. If English is your first language, please seek medical attention immediately.
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