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Women rejecting the hijab have doomed Iran's brutal regime

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Re: Women rejecting the hijab have doomed Iran's brutal regime

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Post by ck2 »

The pile of 10,000+ bodies pretty much deems otherwise?

mothers went out with their children knowing their children would be murdered

to get bodies back from the morgue the regime makes the families pay for the bullets used to kill them

US telling protestors they would be covered and then doing nothing was beyond cruel

Imagine if North Korea had internet access (or even just electricity)

Re: Women rejecting the hijab have doomed Iran's brutal regime

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Post by mittensc »

dyauspitr wrote: post #18
mittensc wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they want to wear it because they dont want to get shot or arrested and tortured

Not true, I’ve lived in middle eastern countries where it’s not as draconian and it’s definitely not mostly involuntary.

perhaps they want to wear because they dont want those slightly better consequences?

Re: Women rejecting the hijab have doomed Iran's brutal regime

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Post by almosthere »

dyauspitr wrote: post #18
mittensc wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they want to wear it because they dont want to get shot or arrested and tortured

Not true, I’ve lived in middle eastern countries where it’s not as draconian and it’s definitely not mostly involuntary.

> as draconian

So its draconian, just not "as draconian".

Re: Women rejecting the hijab have doomed Iran's brutal regime

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Post by Bender »

esalman wrote: post #11
Bender wrote: post #3

Former Iran used to be mini-skirts and it was not that long ago. Could it feasibly or realistically go back to that? Asking for a friend.

> Former Iran used to be mini-skirts You mean just in a few cities like Tehran and only in 60s and 70s?

Yeah Tehran, Shiraz, and Isfahan at least. Not very practical otherwise as it was a fashion thing. I would imagine as other towns grew it would have spread. Only point being they were not killed for it.

Re: Women rejecting the hijab have doomed Iran's brutal regime

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Post by Bender »

mindslight wrote: post #15
almosthere wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can if Trump topples the regime. This kind of regime doesn't just "walk away".

Trump is only effective at toppling the governments of democratic societies who foolishly welcome him in. Seemingly inapplicable to Iran, since as you say the current regime won't walk away.

And the hardest part is ensuring the new regime can stay in place. That would suggest boots on the ground for a while ... and a while could be several decades. I think the question is whether it would be worth the cost and effort. We still have 28K troops in Korea. I think Iran would require more troops.

Re: Women rejecting the hijab have doomed Iran's brutal regime

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Post by tingling168 »

turtlesdown11 wrote: post #13
almosthere wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can if Trump topples the regime. This kind of regime doesn't just "walk away".

The reason the Iranian theocracy exists is because the US toppled Iran's democratic government and put the Shah in charge. What makes you believe that regime changing the current government will lead to liberal reforms?

If the US did it before (regime change), couldn't it do it again?

Re: Women rejecting the hijab have doomed Iran's brutal regime

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Post by aagha »

password54321 wrote: post #6
ReptileMan wrote: post #4

The rumors of the death of the Iranian theocracy unfortunately have been grossly exaggerated.

Just like with everything, Trump backs out last minute after a series of threats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Always_Chickens_Out

It's not called TACO for nothing

Re: Women rejecting the hijab have doomed Iran's brutal regime

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Post by dyauspitr »

almosthere wrote: post #24
dyauspitr wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true, I’ve lived in middle eastern countries where it’s not as draconian and it’s definitely not mostly involuntary.

> as draconian So its draconian, just not "as draconian".

You’re assuming what culturally specific women want.

Re: Women rejecting the hijab have doomed Iran's brutal regime

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Post by yencabulator »

tingling168 wrote: post #27
turtlesdown11 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason the Iranian theocracy exists is because the US toppled Iran's democratic government and put the Shah in charge. What makes you believe that regime changing the current government will lead to liberal reforms?

If the US did it before (regime change), couldn't it do it again?

That's not the question, the question is why would the outcome be better.
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