it’s gotta be too good to be true, but at least one major economy taking the lead, imagine
France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US
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Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US
#22Such a shame that so many U.S. citizens do not see the ramifications of their political decisions. Each one of these actions is a stepping stone the world is taking as a direct consequence of U.S. political negligence. And however difficult it was to render this consequence, it will be tenfold, or hundredfold, as difficult to reverse course.
I mean this is essentially the same situation anyone is in when they have vendor lock in, they know it's a problem, but it is always just not worth it to get out, only this vendor lock in is all vendors from a country lock in and now it is not just worth it but imperative, absolutely necessary.
And of course once you have gotten out of vendor lock in, you never go back. If you do go back to that vendor that locked you in before, because of some sweetheart deal, you make sure to set up all sorts of escape hatches so if you need to bounce quickly you can.
The vendor lock in of the EU to the US for so many things is being dismantled.
Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US
#23As an American, this is awesome to see.
We should pay penalties for our abandonment of good faith global engagement. And economic damage really is the key to the heart of these United States of Three Corporations in a Trench Coat.
We’ve seen companies and CEOs paying millions in bribes to be close to the president. Now this aligns their financial interests with shifting our foreign policy. Not how it ought to work, but it’s the world we have.
Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US
#24I would not have predicted that my country's government going bad would have such a positive side-effect on the world of software and network services.
Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US
#25so is there any open source alternative to these meeting apps? (selfhostable)
It's not open source, but up until a few years ago I used whereby.com for videochats.
Unlike the alternatives at the time from Google, Apple, etc., it didn't require an account for participants — I could just give them the meeting room URL. So although it wasn't open source, it at least didn't lock you into a network.
(Unlike you, I wasn't up for self-hosting.)
Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US
#26so is there any open source alternative to these meeting apps? (selfhostable)
https://www.rocket.chat/
We used to run this back in the day which, granted, was quite a long time ago now. I don't think we ever went longer than a few months without a serious outage of sorts, and that certainly wasn't for a lack of resources or manpower.
Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US
#27Such a shame that so many U.S. citizens do not see the ramifications of their political decisions. Each one of these actions is a stepping stone the world is taking as a direct consequence of U.S. political negligence. And however difficult it was to render this consequence, it will be tenfold, or hundredfold, as difficult to reverse course.
How someone voted has almost no bearing on the dangers of tech. The dangers were there before the last election and none of the candidates had strong positions regarding tech privacy. Microsoft would still be doing what it has been doing regardless of the election outcome. I wouldnt hold my breath that a European Teams/Zoom replacement will have robust encryption and privacy protection based on all the backdoor stuff I've heard being pushed in some European countries.
Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US
#28In favor of what? I’m all for economic nationalism, but you have to have competitive home grown alternatives. Does Europe have them? Or are they going to shoot themselves in the foot productivity-wise by boycotting the best products?
Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US
#29Good. Open source solutions exist and need investment.
Hopefully the EU as a whole can rally behind this.