Earlier quoted context omitted.
CSAM does not have a universal definition. In Sweden for instance, CSAM is any image of an underage subject (real or realistic digital) designed to evoke a sexual response. If you take a picture of a 14 year old girl (age of consent is 15) and use Grok to give her bikini, or make her topless, then you are most definately producing and possessing CSAM. No abuse of a real minor is needed.
As good as Australia's little boobie laws.
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#22I’m sure Musk is going to say this is about free speech in an attempt to gin up his supporters. It isn’t. It’s about generating and distributing non consensual sexual imagery, including of minors. And, when notified, doing nothing about it. If anything it should be an embarrassment that France are the only ones doing this. (it’ll be interesting to see if this discussion is allowed on HN. Almost every other discussion…
> when notified, doing nothing about it When notified, he immediately: * "implemented technological measures to prevent the Grok account from allowing the editing of images of real people in revealing clothing" - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8gz8g2qnlo * locked image generation down to paid accounts only (i.e. those individuals that can be identified via their payment details). Have the other AI companies fo…
The other LLMs probably don't have the training data in the first place.
Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok
#23I’m sure Musk is going to say this is about free speech in an attempt to gin up his supporters. It isn’t. It’s about generating and distributing non consensual sexual imagery, including of minors. And, when notified, doing nothing about it. If anything it should be an embarrassment that France are the only ones doing this. (it’ll be interesting to see if this discussion is allowed on HN. Almost every other discussion…
> when notified, doing nothing about it When notified, he immediately: * "implemented technological measures to prevent the Grok account from allowing the editing of images of real people in revealing clothing" - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8gz8g2qnlo * locked image generation down to paid accounts only (i.e. those individuals that can be identified via their payment details). Have the other AI companies fo…
You and I must have different definitions of the word “immediately”. The article you posted is from January 15th. Here is a story from January 2nd:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98p1r4e6m8o
> Have the other AI companies followed suit? They were also allowing users to undress real people
No they weren’t? There were numerous examples of people feeding the same prompts to different AIs and having their requests refused. Not to mention, X was also publicly distributing that material, something other AI companies were not doing. Which is an entirely different legal liability.
Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok
#24I’m sure Musk is going to say this is about free speech in an attempt to gin up his supporters. It isn’t. It’s about generating and distributing non consensual sexual imagery, including of minors. And, when notified, doing nothing about it. If anything it should be an embarrassment that France are the only ones doing this. (it’ll be interesting to see if this discussion is allowed on HN. Almost every other discussion…
> when notified, doing nothing about it When notified, he immediately: * "implemented technological measures to prevent the Grok account from allowing the editing of images of real people in revealing clothing" - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8gz8g2qnlo * locked image generation down to paid accounts only (i.e. those individuals that can be identified via their payment details). Have the other AI companies fo…
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wouldn't equate the two. There's someone who was being held responsible for what was in encrypted chats. Then there's someone who published depictions of sexual abuse and minors. Worlds apart.
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In November 2012, Epstein sent Musk an email asking “how many people will you be for the heli to island”.
“Probably just Talulah and me. What day/night will be the wildest party on your island?” Musk replied, in an apparent reference to his former wife Talulah Riley.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/30/elon-musk...
I think there's just as much evidence Clinton did as Musk. Gates on the other hand.
Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok
#26I suppose those are the offices from SpaceX now that they merged.
So France is raiding offices of US military contractor?
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#27I'm not saying I'm entirely against this, but just out of curiosity, what do they hope to find in a raid of the french offices, a folder labeled "Grok's CSAM Plan"?
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
CSAM does not have a universal definition. In Sweden for instance, CSAM is any image of an underage subject (real or realistic digital) designed to evoke a sexual response. If you take a picture of a 14 year old girl (age of consent is 15) and use Grok to give her bikini, or make her topless, then you are most definately producing and possessing CSAM. No abuse of a real minor is needed.
> CSAM does not have a universal definition. Strange that there was no disagreement before "AI", right? Yet now we have a clutch of new "definitions" all of which dilute and weaken the meaning. > In Sweden for instance, CSAM is any image of an underage subject (real or realistic digital) designed to evoke a sexual response. No corroboration found on web. Quite the contrary, in fact: "Sweden does not have a legislativ…
" Strange that there was no disagreement before "AI", right? Yet now we have a clutch of new "definitions" all of which dilute and weaken the meaning. "
Are you from Sweden? Why do you think the definition was clear across the world and not changed "before AI"? Or is it some USDefaultism where Americans assume their definition was universal?
Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok
#29I'm not saying I'm entirely against this, but just out of curiosity, what do they hope to find in a raid of the french offices, a folder labeled "Grok's CSAM Plan"?
It was known that Grok was generating these images long before any action was taken. I imagine they’ll be looking for internal communications on what they were doing, or deciding not to do, doing during that time.
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#30> The prosecutor's office also said it was leaving X and would communicate on LinkedIn and Instagram from now on. I mean, perhaps it's time to completely drop these US-owned, closed-source, algo-driven controversial platforms, and start treating the communication with the public that funds your existence in different terms. The goal should be to reach as many people, of course, but also to ensure that the method and…
>The goal should be to reach as many people, of course, but also to ensure that the method and medium of communication is in the interest of the public at large.
Who decides what communication is in the interest of the public at large? The Trump administration?