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Re: The Book of PF, 4th edition

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Those are some new and very very shallow books. There better one's from 90" and 80".

care to name a few such good oldies?

https://www.amazon.com/Compiler-Construction-Monographs-Comp...

This one is my favorite.

Re: The Book of PF, 4th edition

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What's everyone's experience with modern PF in production? Also, not to start a holy war, but what people think about modern PF vs nftables? I've only ever used nftables (and only in fairly simple scenarios) but I've always been curious about the PF side of the world.

It's slower than nftables.

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Re: The Book of PF, 4th edition

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It's slower than nftables.

Not to ask anyone for free work but any write-up on this, I'd love to read.

https://toni.cunyat.net/2019/11/nftables-vs-pf-ipv4-filterin.... According to this article, it depends on usecase.

Re: The Book of PF, 4th edition

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I'd love something similarly scoped centered around nftables. Does anyone have a suggestion? I see No Starch has a Linux Firewall book, but it's from 2008 and is thus iptables-based.

Nftables has a really good doc site https://wiki.nftables.org/wiki-nftables/index.php/Main_Page. I wouldn't rely on any book

Re: The Book of PF, 4th edition

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Lot of admiration for no starch - your books are great !

Per Dr. Marshall Kirk McKusick (as announced in one of the recent BSD conferences), No Starch Press will be publishing the third edition of the Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System book sometime later this year.

I was just wondering about this the other day. I own both previous versions.

Re: The Book of PF, 4th edition

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post #12

Lot of admiration for no starch - your books are great !

I buy ebooks straight from publishers like Nostarch and Leanpub. (In fact, I have an older edition of this book). There are a few books that are sold directly by the authors too. All of them DRM-free. I actively avoid publishers and sellers who don't respect me as a consumer/reader. People need to start demanding better deals, or else we'll end up with monopolies that won't think twice about deleting books in your cu…

Got any notable suggestions from Leanpub?

Re: The Book of PF, 4th edition

#27
post #15

What's everyone's experience with modern PF in production? Also, not to start a holy war, but what people think about modern PF vs nftables? I've only ever used nftables (and only in fairly simple scenarios) but I've always been curious about the PF side of the world.

I manage a pf.conf with about 400 rules across a dozen VLANs, I find it intuitive and even enjoyable to work on. It feels kinda like editing source code - there are some host, network, and port declarations at the top, a section for NAT and egress, then a section for each VLAN that contains the pass in/pass out rules.

I tail the pflog0 interface in a tmux session so I can keep an eye on pass/block, and also keep a handy function in my .profile to make it easy to edit the ruleset and reload:

    function pfedit {
            vi /etc/pf.conf && \
            pfctl -f /etc/pf.conf && \
            { c=`pfctl -s rules | wc -l | tr -d ' '`; printf 'loaded %s rules\n' "$c"; }
    }
This opens the file for editing, reloads the ruleset (which also validates it), then returns the rule count if successful.

Re: The Book of PF, 4th edition

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It's a great book, I used to have some edition of it and it helped me a lot professionally with setting up firewalls, load balancing, traffic shaping and more. I also had a book on Designing FreeBSD rootkits that was very educational. Unfortunately I've given away all my books for more minimalistic living where I am instead dependent on digital information. Not sure how to feel about it.

I almost did the same and still think about doing it! I also have an older edition of this book somewhere in a small stack of OpenBSD books I purchased when I was first learning the system. These days I never reference them. But they do make for a neat OpenBSD area on my bookshelf.

Re: The Book of PF, 4th edition

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post #15

What's everyone's experience with modern PF in production? Also, not to start a holy war, but what people think about modern PF vs nftables? I've only ever used nftables (and only in fairly simple scenarios) but I've always been curious about the PF side of the world.

Their BDFL thinks BC breaks are great “we’ll be in a better place” I remember him saying, and has blessed breaking pf multiple times by changing the rule syntax, whereas prior versions of this book are suddenly obsolete along with countless tutorials, forum posts, etc.

This is one thing M$ gets right, in business environments you don’t do that. I wouldn’t use pf for anything outside a home lab.

Re: The Book of PF, 4th edition

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post #15

What's everyone's experience with modern PF in production? Also, not to start a holy war, but what people think about modern PF vs nftables? I've only ever used nftables (and only in fairly simple scenarios) but I've always been curious about the PF side of the world.

I haven't used Linux as a gateway in years, so I can only compare pf to iptables. The two biggest differences are the way the rules are applied and the logging.

pf rules work a little backwards compared to iptables. A packet traverses the entire ruleset and the last rule to match wins. You can short-circuit this with a "quick" directive. It takes a bit of getting used to coming from iptables.

The logging on pf doesn't integrate with syslog automatically like iptables does. You're expected to set up a logging system for your particular use case. There are several ways to do it, and for production you'd be doing it regardless, but for honelab setups it's an extra thing you need to worry about.

I prefer pf, but I don't recommend it to people new to firewalls.

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