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Starlink updates privacy policy to allow consumer data to train

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Re: Starlink updates privacy policy to allow consumer data to train

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Post by nirui »

IshKebab wrote: post #16

I'd be surprised if they were really going to sniff traffic and dump that into training runs. 99% of traffic is going to be encrypted these days. Probably not very useful.

You're talking about a company owned by one of the richest "tech bro" out there. He's not just an ISP, he's a visionary (for better or worse) with a lots of ideas.

TLS payload is encrypted, but meta data (such as SNI and other fingerprints) is not. These meta data could still be valuable for someone who know how to utilize it.

Re: Starlink updates privacy policy to allow consumer data to train

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Post by bstsb »

i wonder what consumer data they even have to train? they explicitly disclaim using customers’ internet data:

> As a Starlink customer, you may share information with third parties (for example, when you send an email or communicate with a third-party website). In this context, we are not sharing personal information; you are using our Services to share data, and we are merely connecting you to the Internet.

edit: reading this again, i may have misinterpreted this as “we don’t share this data” instead of “this isn’t considered us sharing data”. although in Section 1 they say they only collect diagnostic data in relation to customers’ connection speed/duration etc

Re: Starlink updates privacy policy to allow consumer data to train

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Post by sneak »

ZiiS wrote: post #6

Given their inherit latency, and cost; the equation for running everything via Wireguard is surly worth it.

I already do this on my Starlink as well as my terrestrial residential cable modem. The GL.inet routers work great for this.

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Post by whynotmaybe »

expedition32 wrote: post #24
ZiiS wrote: post #6

Given their inherit latency, and cost; the equation for running everything via Wireguard is surly worth it.

I never understood the business case for Starlink. You're either on fiber or 5G.

You're not the target audience.

In many places, 5G doesn't work and you have to pay a lot for fiber installation.

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Post by kmbfjr »

globalnode wrote: post #19
ZiiS wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Residential ISPs are well setup for monitoring home traffic (and legally required to in most places). A VPS in a different jurisdiction is vastly less likely to be good at it.

https fixes that mostly - unless your talking about metadata

It is all metadata at this point. With statistical monitoring and sharing of netflow data, there is no anonymity on the internet.

Entire businesses specialize in this; Nokia and Kentik.

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Post by deaux »

expedition32 wrote: post #24
ZiiS wrote: post #6

Given their inherit latency, and cost; the equation for running everything via Wireguard is surly worth it.

I never understood the business case for Starlink. You're either on fiber or 5G.

Exactly. I don't get the business case for cars too, you're either in a train or on a subway.

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Post by _blk »

expedition32 wrote: post #24
ZiiS wrote: post #6

Given their inherit latency, and cost; the equation for running everything via Wireguard is surly worth it.

I never understood the business case for Starlink. You're either on fiber or 5G.

Take your RV for an extended stay at the National Parks. RV parks are full of Starlinkers and I *love* the service. Roadtrips with kids are so much better too. The residential dish's in-motion performance is phenomenal and it's not even made for that.
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