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Court Filings: ICE App Identifies Protesters; Global Entry, PreCheck Get Revoked

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Re: Court Filings: ICE App Identifies Protesters; Global Entry, PreCheck Get Revoked

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Post by necubi »

bri3d wrote: post #12
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost certainly. The law should also be amended to require conviction or settlement, not merely investigation, to revoke someone’s PreCheck or Global Entry status.

Overall you can have Global Entry revoked for almost anything; one of the clauses is “The applicant has been found in violation of any customs, immigration, or agriculture regulations, procedures, or laws in any country.” which falls dramatically short of a crime or investigation. There are many reports of GE revocation for stuff like failure to declare fruits at checkpoints.

Expressing your first amendment right to protest is not “almost anything.” Historically, courts have taken very dim view of government retaliation for first-amendment protected activities.

Re: Court Filings: ICE App Identifies Protesters; Global Entry, PreCheck Get Revoked

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Post by steveBK123 »

zanecodes wrote: post #14
Herring wrote: post #13

Reminder that the most reliable way to prevent the rise of the far right is to implement robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance.

The far right are largely the people voting against robust safety nets and low inequality...

The leaders of the right are against a robust safety net, yes.

Populist right voters however hate socialism but also want the government to keep their hands off their medicare and social security.

Re: Court Filings: ICE App Identifies Protesters; Global Entry, PreCheck Get Revoked

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Post by SilverElfin »

Herring wrote: post #13

Reminder that the most reliable way to prevent the rise of the far right is to implement robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance.

That might be true, but I wonder if this advice is too late. Today, a lot of the right - not just far right but mainstream right - seems to be overtly supremacist. They don’t mind federal agencies tweeting out Nazi content. They don’t mind Trump hosting Nick Fuentes at his house. They don’t mind undoing the citizenship of lawful immigrants.

Re: Court Filings: ICE App Identifies Protesters; Global Entry, PreCheck Get Revoked

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Post by Herring »

morkalork wrote: post #20
Herring wrote: post #13

Reminder that the most reliable way to prevent the rise of the far right is to implement robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance.

This is solid advice for 30-40 years ago but today it's a little too late..

You can also look at it as early for 2070.

Re: Court Filings: ICE App Identifies Protesters; Global Entry, PreCheck Get Revoked

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Post by metadat »

bri3d wrote: post #12
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost certainly. The law should also be amended to require conviction or settlement, not merely investigation, to revoke someone’s PreCheck or Global Entry status.

Overall you can have Global Entry revoked for almost anything; one of the clauses is “The applicant has been found in violation of any customs, immigration, or agriculture regulations, procedures, or laws in any country.” which falls dramatically short of a crime or investigation. There are many reports of GE revocation for stuff like failure to declare fruits at checkpoints.

How is attending a protest a potential violation of customs regulations? This doesn't track.

Re: Court Filings: ICE App Identifies Protesters; Global Entry, PreCheck Get Revoked

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Post by lazide »

datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #18
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You submit permanent biometrics as part of PreCheck and Global Entry. DHS is presumably using those data for identification.

Is DHS’s usage against the stated purpose of the biometrics collection? Was there even a stated purpose?

The stated purpose for biometrics and photos with PreCheck and Global Entry is to identify you, so it’s not likely against its stated purpose to use it for identification, per-se.

Now using it to target protesters? Meh.

Re: Court Filings: ICE App Identifies Protesters; Global Entry, PreCheck Get Revoked

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Post by nerdsniper »

g-b-r wrote: post #4

This is a first amendment violation, right?

I mean, yes, because it's clearly intended to have a chilling effect on speech.

But also Global Entry isn't really a thing, it's kind of just like a weird privilege some people can get ... because ... ??? It's just a fake-privilege thing. Taking it away doesn't actually prevent anyone from doing anything/going anywhere they would have anyways.

Re: Court Filings: ICE App Identifies Protesters; Global Entry, PreCheck Get Revoked

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Post by kelnos »

g-b-r wrote: post #4

This is a first amendment violation, right?

Absolutely. The problem is proving in court that the pre check / global entry revocations are a direct result of the protesting. The government has levers they can use to muddy the issue and claim that it's a coincidence.

Re: Court Filings: ICE App Identifies Protesters; Global Entry, PreCheck Get Revoked

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Post by asdfaslkj353 »

bri3d wrote: post #12
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost certainly. The law should also be amended to require conviction or settlement, not merely investigation, to revoke someone’s PreCheck or Global Entry status.

Overall you can have Global Entry revoked for almost anything; one of the clauses is “The applicant has been found in violation of any customs, immigration, or agriculture regulations, procedures, or laws in any country.” which falls dramatically short of a crime or investigation. There are many reports of GE revocation for stuff like failure to declare fruits at checkpoints.

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