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US judge rules Luigi Mangione won't face death penalty in CEO killing case

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Re: US judge rules Luigi Mangione won't face death penalty in CEO killing case

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Attorney General Pam Bondi ordered Manhattan federal prosecutors last April to seek the death penalty against Mangione. ... Judge Margaret Garnett dismissed a federal murder charge that had enabled prosecutors to seek capital punishment, finding it technically flawed. ~ https://apnews.com/article/mangione-unitedhealthcare-death-p... How many gross errors of basic law and procedure has the current AG made and overseen…

You don’t seem to understand the legal issues here if you’re saying this was an “error of basic law.”

What happened is that the feds took an aggressive but plausible legal position, and the district court disagreed. There are concurrent federal and state prosecutions. Ordinarily, murder is a state law charge. Some nexus to the federal government is required to elevate it to a federal crime.

Here, New York doesn’t have the death penalty, so the feds invoked 18 USC 924(c) in connection with a federal stalking charge. That allows the death penalty where someone is killed with a firearm during a federal “crime of violence.” So the question is whether stalking is a “crime of violence.” Seems like it could be, right?

The term “crime of violence” is the subject of a ton of litigation: https://www.everycrsreport.com/files/2025-04-25_LSB11293_4ec.... So the feds made an aggressive argument to secure the death penalty, and the district court disagreed. There’s nothing incompetent at all. Federal prosecutors sometimes take aggressive legal positions, and federal judges sometimes reject those positions.

You didn’t mention that Bondi was Florida’s AG for 8 years. Even Democrat Senators who voted against her acknowledged she is well qualified: https://www.welch.senate.gov/welch-votes-against-advancing-p... (“Pam Bondi is qualified. She has done outstanding work as an Attorney General, both as a County Prosecutor and as the Florida Attorney General, and I actually quite admire the grit that she had to take on a challenging statewide campaign to become Attorney General”).

Re: US judge rules Luigi Mangione won't face death penalty in CEO killing case

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> because the federal murder and weapons charges were dismissed Why were these charges dismissed?

Federal courts do not have jurisdiction over murders by default. There are two obvious cases where they do (murder of a federal official, murder on federal land) and a shaky third category of "murder pursuant to another federal crime". In the past that third category has been used to charge organized criminals, anything that touches the interstate commerce act (drug trafficking/contract killing/etc), and terrorism. C…

Wouldn’t his interstate escape and target list let the federal murder charges stick?

Re: US judge rules Luigi Mangione won't face death penalty in CEO killing case

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He’s going to walk.

I actually think it's so bad in our country right now that if someone showed up at the court and snuck a gun in and shot Luigi in the back and killed him ... THAT guy would definitely get the death penalty. (he should, but so should Luigi) It's all political at this point.

> THAT guy would definitely get the death penalty

If they did it in a federal court? Probably. If they did it in the state court? Probably not. New York doesn’t have the death penalty.

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Attorney General Pam Bondi ordered Manhattan federal prosecutors last April to seek the death penalty against Mangione. ... Judge Margaret Garnett dismissed a federal murder charge that had enabled prosecutors to seek capital punishment, finding it technically flawed. ~ https://apnews.com/article/mangione-unitedhealthcare-death-p... How many gross errors of basic law and procedure has the current AG made and overseen…

Noem at the Senate hearing : "Well, habeas corpus is a constitutional right that the president has to be able to remove people from this country, and suspend their right to ..." After senator cut her off and explained what habeas corpus really is, Noem responded: "I support habeas corpus. I also recognize that the president of the United States has the authority under the Constitution to decide if it should be suspen…

Source?

Re: US judge rules Luigi Mangione won't face death penalty in CEO killing case

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Noem at the Senate hearing : "Well, habeas corpus is a constitutional right that the president has to be able to remove people from this country, and suspend their right to ..." After senator cut her off and explained what habeas corpus really is, Noem responded: "I support habeas corpus. I also recognize that the president of the United States has the authority under the Constitution to decide if it should be suspen…

Source?

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Re: US judge rules Luigi Mangione won't face death penalty in CEO killing case

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He’s going to walk.

Keep dreaming. I'm not sure why so many people believe that what - jury nullification? - is going to happen.

$1.4M defense fund (so far), exceptional legal team, jury nullification, lots of paths to success. His case is going well so far, and appeals are always an option. “Proof beyond a reasonable doubt” is the bar.

How confident are you there isn’t at least one juror who hasn’t been harmed by their health insurance, financially or medically? Only takes one.

Re: US judge rules Luigi Mangione won't face death penalty in CEO killing case

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Federal courts do not have jurisdiction over murders by default. There are two obvious cases where they do (murder of a federal official, murder on federal land) and a shaky third category of "murder pursuant to another federal crime". In the past that third category has been used to charge organized criminals, anything that touches the interstate commerce act (drug trafficking/contract killing/etc), and terrorism. C…

Wouldn’t his interstate escape and target list let the federal murder charges stick?

Mangione is charged with killing a man (in New York, with New York state jurisdiction) and stalking a man (across multiple states, the federal charge). There is no such thing as a federal crime of fleeing across state lines or owning a list of assassination targets.

Re: US judge rules Luigi Mangione won't face death penalty in CEO killing case

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Noem at the Senate hearing : "Well, habeas corpus is a constitutional right that the president has to be able to remove people from this country, and suspend their right to ..." After senator cut her off and explained what habeas corpus really is, Noem responded: "I support habeas corpus. I also recognize that the president of the United States has the authority under the Constitution to decide if it should be suspen…

Source?

PBS News Hour, Question and response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPK41OPq6VY

Such confidence. Even some brazen lies about following court orders sprinkled on top.

Re: US judge rules Luigi Mangione won't face death penalty in CEO killing case

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He’s going to walk.

> He’s going to walk If you actually believe this you can more than 10x your money [1]. [1] https://polymarket.com/event/luigi-mangione-out-of-custody-b...

Prediction markets are notoriously unreliable from a resolution perspective.

Re: US judge rules Luigi Mangione won't face death penalty in CEO killing case

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Source?

PBS News Hour, Question and response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPK41OPq6VY Such confidence. Even some brazen lies about following court orders sprinkled on top.

Fucking a...
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