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Re: Wikipedia: Sandbox

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Tried to edit on my mobile (T-Mobile - US) and got this: Your IP address has been blocked from editing Wikipedia. Blocked by Xaosflux Block will expire in 7 months Curiosity led me to Xaosflux's Wikipedia page where I see they have been active since 2005 with over 85k edits! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Xaosflux

Unfortunately large IP groups like mobile phones often need to be blocked because it’s the only possible way to constraint anonymous spammers.

Re: Wikipedia: Sandbox

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Yeah, because it’s a PITA to align everything by hand. But the spaces around | make it easier to read, than, say, CSV.

> Yeah, because it’s a PITA to align everything by hand. For now. I get the feeling we'll have tooling everywhere that does this soon. I was recently tab-completing a Markdown table and whatever autocomplete model I had just fixed the table up without any intervention.

Yeah, it’s not terribly hard to do that even without AI (Prettier can do it, for example). But there’s a lot of places where the tooling just isn’t available. Then again, it’s probably not a big deal if your GitHub comment markup isn’t perfect.

I think the root of the problem is, almost everything else you use in Markdown is easy to do by hand. There’s just no good syntax for tables like this, I guess.

Re: Wikipedia: Sandbox

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Tried to edit on my mobile (T-Mobile - US) and got this: Your IP address has been blocked from editing Wikipedia. Blocked by Xaosflux Block will expire in 7 months Curiosity led me to Xaosflux's Wikipedia page where I see they have been active since 2005 with over 85k edits! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Xaosflux

I've had the desire to contribute so many times, but each time I was blocked. I don't think Wikipedia accurately measures how much contribution they lose because of the hostile treatment of new editors and what I believe are poorly implemented editing policies. Their policies likely haven't been revised since a decade or more, they should do a survey about it.

in most cases you should be able to create an account and edit even if your IP address or range is blocked

Re: Wikipedia: Sandbox

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Tried to edit on my mobile (T-Mobile - US) and got this: Your IP address has been blocked from editing Wikipedia. Blocked by Xaosflux Block will expire in 7 months Curiosity led me to Xaosflux's Wikipedia page where I see they have been active since 2005 with over 85k edits! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Xaosflux

I've had the desire to contribute so many times, but each time I was blocked. I don't think Wikipedia accurately measures how much contribution they lose because of the hostile treatment of new editors and what I believe are poorly implemented editing policies. Their policies likely haven't been revised since a decade or more, they should do a survey about it.

I'm not trying to defend Wikipedia at all costs, but you should also think about how much spam and trolling would happen on their platform if they didn't have these annoying blocks for non-registered users.

I run a pretty simple SaaS with a free tier and the amount of spam that I have to manage is high; I don't want to even imagine how difficult it must be to run a website where anybody can edit pretty much anything.

Re: Wikipedia: Sandbox

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It's interesting to think about how complex the wikipedia text is compared to something like github flavored markdown or even standard html tables (although I guess it eventually renders into standard html so it's not more complex than the latter when all other html elements are considered in addition to ) For example the swatch internet time infobox is dynamically updated {{short description|Alternate time system by…

It's basically wordpress era PHP templating.

Re: Wikipedia: Sandbox

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Honestly it continually surprises me how people forget about TSV It's the perfect format, more or less! CSV, but no difficulty around commas, and the only major risk being an editor that converts tabs to spaces

I agree it's great, but that risk is so major that I stopped using it. "There's a 50% chance that your editor will invisibly corrupt the data you enter, and another 30% chance to corrupt the entire file" is just not usable... Especially in Zed where the only way to switch hard tabs is buried in the settings menu, and impossible to change per buffer.

You'd think more editors would be smart enough to recognize that it's a TSV file and therefore should preserve the tabs, in much the same way that you'd think editors would be smart enough to recognize that something's a Makefile and therefore should preserve the tabs.

Re: Wikipedia: Sandbox

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Honestly it continually surprises me how people forget about TSV It's the perfect format, more or less! CSV, but no difficulty around commas, and the only major risk being an editor that converts tabs to spaces

I agree it's great, but that risk is so major that I stopped using it. "There's a 50% chance that your editor will invisibly corrupt the data you enter, and another 30% chance to corrupt the entire file" is just not usable... Especially in Zed where the only way to switch hard tabs is buried in the settings menu, and impossible to change per buffer.

Lack of control over your editor's behaviour shouldn't be acceptable on this level. Just like making tabs/spaces visible, control like this ahould be a basic feature of every editor.

Re: Wikipedia: Sandbox

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post #6

It's interesting to think about how complex the wikipedia text is compared to something like github flavored markdown or even standard html tables (although I guess it eventually renders into standard html so it's not more complex than the latter when all other html elements are considered in addition to ) For example the swatch internet time infobox is dynamically updated {{short description|Alternate time system by…

Day 1: we’ll adopt a simple markup language because our users are not programmers

Day 2: our users have complicated needs so we’ll basically reinvent Lisp expressions, but worse.

Day N: whatever this markup language is

——

I’ve seen this happen so many times it’s not even funny anymore. Well, at least it’s not YAML.

Re: Wikipedia: Sandbox

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Tried to edit on my mobile (T-Mobile - US) and got this: Your IP address has been blocked from editing Wikipedia. Blocked by Xaosflux Block will expire in 7 months Curiosity led me to Xaosflux's Wikipedia page where I see they have been active since 2005 with over 85k edits! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Xaosflux

Typically this just means you have to create an account.

Mobile ips are often blocked because of the sheer amount of spam and they switch so much that its difficult to block individual offenders.

Re: Wikipedia: Sandbox

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post #29

Tried to edit on my mobile (T-Mobile - US) and got this: Your IP address has been blocked from editing Wikipedia. Blocked by Xaosflux Block will expire in 7 months Curiosity led me to Xaosflux's Wikipedia page where I see they have been active since 2005 with over 85k edits! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Xaosflux

Typically this just means you have to create an account. Mobile ips are often blocked because of the sheer amount of spam and they switch so much that its difficult to block individual offenders.

They block logged in users too.
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