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Yawning has an unexpected influence on the fluid inside your brain

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Re: Yawning has an unexpected influence on the fluid inside your brain

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A trait doesn’t have to be advantageous to persist just non-detrimental.

It is detrimental though. It is socially impolite to yawn in public. Edit: why am I being downvoted for this?

is it so detrimental that it leads to a person never finding a mate and reproducing? Maybe for a totally extreme outlier, but probably not

Re: Yawning has an unexpected influence on the fluid inside your brain

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The contagious nature of yawning is so weird. It has to be evolutionarily advantageous because it's so wide spread, but it's also non-obvious.

It's a bit like laughing. Synchronise the mood of the group. I assume other mammals have contagious yawns too?

Cats certainly do.

Strangely, dogs sneeze to show deference.

Re: Yawning has an unexpected influence on the fluid inside your brain

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It is detrimental though. It is socially impolite to yawn in public. Edit: why am I being downvoted for this?

is it so detrimental that it leads to a person never finding a mate and reproducing? Maybe for a totally extreme outlier, but probably not

Is that the right criteria? A trait must be completely, 100% disqualifying as a mate or else it sticks around?

Our ancestors used to have tails. We no longer have tails. Plenty of people wear artificial tails today and get laid, it's not a 100% disqualifying trait

Re: Yawning has an unexpected influence on the fluid inside your brain

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A trait doesn’t have to be advantageous to persist just non-detrimental.

They can be detrimental too, especially if they're linked to beneficial traits. The test is ultimately whether or not the harm done is sufficiently disadvantageous that it interferes with reproductive fitness. Baldness is arguably detrimental, but it's linked to a bunch of recessive genes that function in other ways, and it doesn't impact us until we're likely to have already reproduced. That's a simplification, but…

Peacocks with their giant tail feathers are my favorite example. They make flying really difficult, but they make attracting female mates much easier. The reproduction need wins.

Re: Yawning has an unexpected influence on the fluid inside your brain

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is it so detrimental that it leads to a person never finding a mate and reproducing? Maybe for a totally extreme outlier, but probably not

Is that the right criteria? A trait must be completely, 100% disqualifying as a mate or else it sticks around? Our ancestors used to have tails. We no longer have tails. Plenty of people wear artificial tails today and get laid, it's not a 100% disqualifying trait

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Re: Yawning has an unexpected influence on the fluid inside your brain

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a bit like laughing. Synchronise the mood of the group. I assume other mammals have contagious yawns too?

Cats certainly do. Strangely, dogs sneeze to show deference.

African wild dogs use sneezes to "vote" to make decisions. https://royalsocietypublishing.org/rspb/article/284/1862/201...

Re: Yawning has an unexpected influence on the fluid inside your brain

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is it so detrimental that it leads to a person never finding a mate and reproducing? Maybe for a totally extreme outlier, but probably not

Is that the right criteria? A trait must be completely, 100% disqualifying as a mate or else it sticks around? Our ancestors used to have tails. We no longer have tails. Plenty of people wear artificial tails today and get laid, it's not a 100% disqualifying trait

Natural selection doesn't require 100% disqualifying, it just needs a slight preference and a shit load of time.

Re: Yawning has an unexpected influence on the fluid inside your brain

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The contagious nature of yawning is so weird. It has to be evolutionarily advantageous because it's so wide spread, but it's also non-obvious.

I literally yawned as I clicked on this article from my RSS reader. The contagious nature at the mere idea of a yawn is wild.

I yawned when I read your comment.

Re: Yawning has an unexpected influence on the fluid inside your brain

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A trait doesn’t have to be advantageous to persist just non-detrimental.

It is detrimental though. It is socially impolite to yawn in public. Edit: why am I being downvoted for this?

Even if yawning in public affected sexual fitness: how long has it been socially impolite to yawn in public? Evolution takes a rather long time in species with long reproductive cycles. Almost all mammals yawn, it would take significant genetic changes to breed that out of us. That doesn't happen overnight.
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