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Wisconsin communities signed secrecy deals for billion-dollar data centers

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Re: Wisconsin communities signed secrecy deals for billion-dollar data centers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do we allow municipalities to keep secrets in the first place? Unless it is personnel-related it should be public. If the communications happened on taxpayer funded equipment they should be open.

They'll tell you it needs to be confidential "for commercial reasons". They always do.

Then you'll need to tell them democracy overrules commercial reasons.

Re: Wisconsin communities signed secrecy deals for billion-dollar data centers

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Do data centers create that many jobs? Especially if you break it down by jobs per sqft, I can’t imagine it compares well to any other type of industrial development

They bring in temporary construction jobs but once running they provide no meaningful jobs.

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NIMBY for data centers is opportunity for SpaceX. When they saturate the demand for communication, data processing demand will be ramping up with no apparent ceiling. The merger between SpaceX and xAI positions them to benefit both from the AI revolution, and from the resistance to it. It's like a hypothetical 19th century textile company that managed to profit from Luddite riots by using them to help move production…

Is this satire? I can't even tell anymore. If so, bravo.

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> These centers guzzle water and power at a rate most small municipal grids aren't scoped for.

Are you NIMBYing for our AI overlords which will replace all the work we do and give us unlimited prosperity at the push of a button?

This incident will be reported. /s

On a more serious note, when the last tree is cut down, the last fish eaten, and the last stream poisoned, we will realize that humans cannot eat money (or silicon for that matter).

Re: Wisconsin communities signed secrecy deals for billion-dollar data centers

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Capitalism as we're taught from economics textbooks does not exist in our reality. The theory is that sellers are supposed to compete among themselves to attract consumers. Instead we have local, state, and even national governments competing among themselves to attract sellers. And of course political election campaigns are mostly privately funded, so even the kind of competition that does exist is rarely "meritocratic," and it's certainly not democratic (small d). The wheels are greased in various ways, with campaign contributions in office and cushy corporate jobs afterward. You might say, "the public should stop electing corrupt representatives," but again, our political system is based on private funding of election campaigns, so the system practically requires financial corruption. The political duopoly is an advertising duopoly: politicians can't spread their message without money, which is why alternative parties are trapped forever in obscurity. Advertising is the price of admission to the debate. The for-profit news media conspires in this system by refusing coverage, and media-sponsored debate invitations, to candidates without money, allegedly because they're not "viable," a Catch-22 situation.

Re: Wisconsin communities signed secrecy deals for billion-dollar data centers

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There is an obvious question I don't see anyone asking. Why do these data centers have to be built in every state? I guarantee it's not to run LLMs.

Same reason the F35 manufacture is awkwardly distributed throughout the US - the shore up political support (voting to kill jobs in your state is usually unpopular) and dip into as many subsidies as possible.

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> Now Meta, the trillion-dollar company How is it that Meta is worth a trillion dollars?

Turns out sucking up all the information there is and displaying ads is worth a lot.

That’s still a little mind boggling.

They don’t make anything or directly help somebody else make something.

they provide a platform that can maybe sometimes nudges an individual purchasing decisions in one direction.

Re: Wisconsin communities signed secrecy deals for billion-dollar data centers

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There is an obvious question I don't see anyone asking. Why do these data centers have to be built in every state? I guarantee it's not to run LLMs.

“We’re going to have supervision,” Oracle founder Larry Ellison said. “Every police officer is going to be supervised at all times, and if there’s a problem, AI will report that problem and report it to the appropriate person. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that’s going on.”
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