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In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Post by SR2Z »

lazyeye wrote: post #2

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This is not a political calculus. Nobody with half a brain believes that Trump's choices are about efficiently deporting people here illegally; they are designed to intimidate and punish his opponents while making the US more authoritarian.

The government cannot send out masked, untrained goon squads to bust down doors without warrants or probable cause. They are forbidden from doing that by the Constitution.

The "inevitable tragedies" are from free people exercising their rights in the face of an administration which obviously has nothing but contempt for them.

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Post by SR2Z »

dylan604 wrote: post #14
chasil wrote: post #3

Nonviolent crowd control does not seem to be a core competence of these federal forces. They should augment deployed enforcement with those who have such expertise.

Who? They are complaining that sanctuary cities' local police are not cooperating. Who else are you suggesting has the necessary expertise?

Perhaps if they cannot carry out their goals without hurting people, the answer is "take a step back" and not "hurt people."

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Post by 023984398 »

lazyeye wrote: post #16
023984398 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citing an AI tweet hardly screams accurate. They're killing American citizens with immunity. Enjoy the taste of boot leather in your mouth dude.

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No one is killing American citizens with immunity - except ICE. The man who killed Laken Riley is in Prison. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Laken_Riley. Where are the masked agents who killed Renee Good and Alex Pretti?

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Post by arxari »

023984398 wrote: post #10
lazyeye wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accurate take

Citing an AI tweet hardly screams accurate. They're killing American citizens with immunity. Enjoy the taste of boot leather in your mouth dude.

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Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Post by lazyeye »

SR2Z wrote: post #21
lazyeye wrote: post #2

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This is not a political calculus. Nobody with half a brain believes that Trump's choices are about efficiently deporting people here illegally; they are designed to intimidate and punish his opponents while making the US more authoritarian. The government cannot send out masked, untrained goon squads to bust down doors without warrants or probable cause. They are forbidden from doing that by the Constitution. The "in…

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Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Post by guerrilla »

Sabinus wrote: post #15
metalcrow wrote: post #8

> officials rushed to defend immigration officers without waiting for key facts to emerge – in what former immigration officials called a clear break with past practice for federal agencies Without obscuring how bad is it, I don't believe there was ever a time when officials _didn't_ rush to defend federal officers without waiting for key facts to emerge. The us government has constantly loved to say that no one work…

Calling American citizens domestic terrorists 30 mins after they were shot dead by agents of the President's shiny new initiative is a bit of an escalation on the generic government face-saving responses. The rhetoric is escalating and dangerous.

Is it? I really don't think so. You don't remember the whole "superpredator" thing? Every time a black dude is shot, they'll start talking about how he must have been some kinda criminal. People of color have been suffering this shit forever. Sure, the Internet makes things faster, but the policies are the same.

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Post by arxari »

chasil wrote: post #3

Nonviolent crowd control does not seem to be a core competence of these federal forces. They should augment deployed enforcement with those who have such expertise.

That's the what the state police is for... the one that Minnesota refused to deploy to help ICE when the Good and Pretti situations happened.

Re: In 6 violent encounters, evidence contradicts immigration officials' narratives

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Post by SR2Z »

lazyeye wrote: post #16
023984398 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citing an AI tweet hardly screams accurate. They're killing American citizens with immunity. Enjoy the taste of boot leather in your mouth dude.

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Who the hell is arguing for their immunity? If anyone commits a murder, they should be put in jail.

Everyone within the borders of the United States has rights, even if they're here illegally. That's what it means to be a free country.

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