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Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by stackskipton »

corvad wrote: post #4

Honestly I like Cloudflare's CDN and DNS but beyond that I don't really trust much else from them. In the past though their blog has been one of the best in the space and the information has been pretty useful, almost being a gold standard for postmortems, but this seems especially bad. Definitely out of line compared to the rest of their posts. And with the recent Cursor debacle this doesn't help. I also don't reall…

>I also don't really get their current obsession with porting every piece of software on Earth to Workers recently...

Because their CDN/DNS is excellent software but it's not massive moat. Workers on other hand is.

It's like difference between running something on Kubernetes vs Lambdas. One you can somewhat pivot with between vendors vs other one requires massive rewrites to software that means most executives won't transition away from it due to high potential for failure.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by bentcorner »

rideontime wrote: post #2

Days after the fake story about Cursor building a web browser from scratch with GPT-5.2 was debunked. Disbelief should be the default reaction to stories like this.

I get vibe coding a feature or news story or whatnot but how do you go about not even checking if the thing actually works, or fact checking the blog post?

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by Arathorn »

embedding-shape wrote: post #20
oefrha wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The outrageous part of this is nowhere in the blog post or the repository indicates it's vibe coded garbage (hopefully I didn't miss it?). You expect some level of bullshit in AI company's latest AI vibe coding announcements. This can be mistaken for a classical blog post. Although the tell is obvious if you spent one second looking at https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers . That misaligned ASCII diagram, damn…

> A production-grade Matrix homeserver implementation It's getting outright frustrating to deal with this. Fine, random hype-men gets hyped about stuff and tweets about it, doesn't mind me too much. Huge companies who used to have a lot of good will putting out stuff like this, seemingly with absolutely zero reviews before hitting publish? What are they doing? Have everyone decided to just give up and give in to the…

https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-rust-sdk/blob/main/CONT... is an example of engineering trying to make a comeback, on the Matrix side at least :)

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by jacquesm »

embedding-shape wrote: post #15
rideontime wrote: post #2

Days after the fake story about Cursor building a web browser from scratch with GPT-5.2 was debunked. Disbelief should be the default reaction to stories like this.

Btw, after I wrote that initial article ("Cursor's latest "browser experiment" implied success without evidence"), I gave it my own try to write a browser from scratch with just one agent, using no 3rd party crates, only commonly available system libraries, and just made a Show HN about it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46779522 The end result: Me and one agent (codex) managed to build something more or less t…

That's fairly impressive.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by augusteo »

Technical blogs from infrastructure companies used to serve two purposes: demonstrate expertise and build trust. When the posts start overpromising, you lose both.

I don't know enough about this specific implementation to say whether "implemented Matrix" is accurate or marketing stretch. But the pattern of "we did X" blog posts that turn out to be "we did a demo of part of X" is getting tiresome across the industry.

The fix is boring: just be precise about what you built. "We prototyped a Matrix homeserver on Workers with these limitations" is less exciting but doesn't erode trust.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by embedding-shape »

Arathorn wrote: post #23
embedding-shape wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A production-grade Matrix homeserver implementation It's getting outright frustrating to deal with this. Fine, random hype-men gets hyped about stuff and tweets about it, doesn't mind me too much. Huge companies who used to have a lot of good will putting out stuff like this, seemingly with absolutely zero reviews before hitting publish? What are they doing? Have everyone decided to just give up and give in to the…

https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-rust-sdk/blob/main/CONT... is an example of engineering trying to make a comeback, on the Matrix side at least :)

As long as you take ownership, test your stuff and ensure it actually does what you claim it does, I don't mind if you use LLMs, a book or your dog.

I'm mostly concerned that something we used to see as a part of basic "software engineering" (verify that what you build is actually doing what you think it is) has suddenly made a very quick exit from the scene, in chase of outputting more LOC which is completely backwards.

Re: Cloudflare claimed they implemented Matrix on Cloudflare workers. They didn't

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Post by blibble »

rideontime wrote: post #2

Days after the fake story about Cursor building a web browser from scratch with GPT-5.2 was debunked. Disbelief should be the default reaction to stories like this.

it seems as if literally everyone associated with "AI" is a grifter, shill (sorry, "Independent Researcher"), temporarily embarrassed billionaire, or just a flat out scammer

I have yet to see a counter-example

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