How to enforce?
Same way as they do with porn? Massive fines. Or the threat thereof.
House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs
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Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs
#22Does that mean that VPN providers now need identification before you can open an account?
If this becomes law, then yes. But then people will turn to VPS providers instead and set up their own VPNs, which will then prompt a law to demand age verification before renting any server. I wonder how far they're willing to go down this rabbit hole.
Not necessarily - how is a kid paying for a VPS server?
A personal debit card (which requires ID verification anyway, and likely has their parents able to see activity)? A personal credit card (which definitely requires ID + 18+)? Stealing their parents' card (works for like 5 days)? Does the VPS company block VPN ports without verification, similar to how most companies handle email? Do you think VPS services have any interest, at all, in an underage clientele?
The proposed law is plenty effective - saying otherwise is like saying kids can bypass age verification at the knife shop or alcohol store by using eBay. No sane mind says that age verification is therefore useless.
Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs
#23Very shallow, naive approach to child safety. This is like banning children from riding scooters on a highway. They're just going to use a bike instead. Danger still exists. VPNs are not the only way around this, so if you want to ban the "method of access" you need to be much more broad, and get the parents involved.
But, we do ban children on scooters from roads in the UK, but they can go on bikes? I don't understand your metaphor.. what you are suggesting is what we do and it's sensible.
I don't think they don't mean the same thing you mean by scooters. Difference in the language.
Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs
#24I foresee a lot of VPN companies starting to offer "secure proxy" services or something like that. "It's not a VPN, it's a secure proxy!"
The law doesn't work like that. First of all, the actual regulation that gets made probably has a definition of VPN and won't rely on a company self-describing as VPN. Secondly law enforcement and courts aren't idiots* * well, many of them are. But not in the particular way that would be needed for a simple rename to work.
Proxies aren't VPNs though. They didn't mean call proxies VPNS, they meant provide proxies.
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#25UK nanny state makes it an nonviable place to live. It's pervasive from the moment you step off the plane at Heathrow and see the inane safety stickers covering every surface "WARNING: DOOR" "WARNING: WATER FROM HOT TAP IS HOT" as well as the CCTV cameras.
Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs
#26Does that mean that VPN providers now need identification before you can open an account?
Also VPS services because "SSH -D".
Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs
#27ah the country of brexit has more "clever ideas"
something I find myself saying often lately watching BBC News every morning
How about Cloudflare Warp? And don't some browsers like Opera have builtin VPN?
What about tunnels like Hurricane Electric?
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#28Did the CEO of Tor announced when age verification features will be implemented?
Re: House of Lords Votes to Ban UK Children from Using Internet VPNs
#29Does that mean that VPN providers now need identification before you can open an account?
If this becomes law, then yes. But then people will turn to VPS providers instead and set up their own VPNs, which will then prompt a law to demand age verification before renting any server. I wonder how far they're willing to go down this rabbit hole.
You're implying pervasive KYC and tying everything to your real-life identity is some unfortunate side-effect rather than a deliberate end. I have contempt for people who pass policies such as these but I do not think them foolish; they are likely aware of what will happen.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
If this becomes law, then yes. But then people will turn to VPS providers instead and set up their own VPNs, which will then prompt a law to demand age verification before renting any server. I wonder how far they're willing to go down this rabbit hole.
Not necessarily - how is a kid paying for a VPS server? A personal debit card (which requires ID verification anyway, and likely has their parents able to see activity)? A personal credit card (which definitely requires ID + 18+)? Stealing their parents' card (works for like 5 days)? Does the VPS company block VPN ports without verification, similar to how most companies handle email? Do you think VPS services have a…
If having a credit card and the ability to make purchases was good enough as an ID system, they could have simply made it the law instead of requiring tech companies to collect those sweet, sweet personal ID document photos.