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Re: Apple, What Have You Done?

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Post by arianvanp »

voidUpdate wrote: post #4

> "My iPhone 14 Pro has 35Gb of "system data" which has basically filled up the entire storage I had left" I occasionally use a macbook pro at £WORK for a few apple specific processes, and it currently has 188.67gb of "system data" that I have no idea how to clean up or remove. It's marked separately from the 11.01gb of macOS in the storage settings, and it constantly complains about the disk almost being full. Updat…

Do you happen to be using Rosetta? The aot cache of that slowly fills up and its not easy to clean up. I remember i had to google some magic command to do it

Re: Apple, What Have You Done?

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Post by nottorp »

Hard_Space wrote: post #3

I am glad at least that Apple has not forced me to update my iPhone 13 and 2023 Macbook, as Windows would have by now. I am hoping to ride this out, and that a later bundled update will remedy the worst complaints. The most alarming thought in TFA, though, was that the iPhone update might have at least a secondary mission of nudging the user to buy a new phone - certainly not an unknown tactic in tech.

> Apple has not forced me

Not for lack of trying. Heard the wife scream that they updated her to 26 2 days ago. And she had been warned. Not by me, she may not trust the conservative geek, but by our daughter who is cursing at iOS 26 right and left.

So far I've managed to protect all my iOS and MacOS devices, but who knows what they sneak in next...

By the way, ages ago I had to pull over on a road and wait for an iOS upgrade because Apple deemed to display the "upgrade now" dialogue over my navigation app and of course i touched the screen in the wrong place to get rid of it because i was driving.

Re: Apple, What Have You Done?

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

While quality control isn't easy problem, it baffles my mind whenever I find a bug and it has been reported for years and still wasn't fixed in iphone/mac(or worse some user reported hack works). Those two are so big that spending a billion dollar for quality will make it back for sure.

Re: Apple, What Have You Done?

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Post by graemep »

altern8 wrote: post #10

Steve Jobs was an extremely unusual CEO. He was hands on, talked to designers, developers, and users, and actually cared about making good products. Tim Cook is more of a regular CEO that wants to make money for the shareholders. He started doing stock buybacks and in general prioritizing making money. macOS is still the best OS I'd want to use IMO--if you can manage to avoid upgrading to Tahoe--but Apple seems to de…

Steve Jobs was a founder of the company. He expected to remain CEO for many years (until his illness). I do not know whether he still have a large stake but its likely he did, and he certainly formed his approach when he did.

That motivated him to look at the long term as he expected to benefit from increases in the value of the business over the long term.

A regular CEO looks more at the short term. The value when the next options vest or the next bonus or whatever.

Re: Apple, What Have You Done?

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Post by torben-friis »

voidUpdate wrote: post #4

> "My iPhone 14 Pro has 35Gb of "system data" which has basically filled up the entire storage I had left" I occasionally use a macbook pro at £WORK for a few apple specific processes, and it currently has 188.67gb of "system data" that I have no idea how to clean up or remove. It's marked separately from the 11.01gb of macOS in the storage settings, and it constantly complains about the disk almost being full. Updat…

The cleanmymac app let me do it, using the trial period. In my case it was due leftovers from music production software and an overblown docker image though, so YMMV.

Re: Apple, What Have You Done?

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Post by armchairhacker »

voidUpdate wrote: post #4

> "My iPhone 14 Pro has 35Gb of "system data" which has basically filled up the entire storage I had left" I occasionally use a macbook pro at £WORK for a few apple specific processes, and it currently has 188.67gb of "system data" that I have no idea how to clean up or remove. It's marked separately from the 11.01gb of macOS in the storage settings, and it constantly complains about the disk almost being full. Updat…

Download and open OmniDiskSweeper. THEN (important) go to Settings/Preferences > Privacy & Security > Full Disk Access, and enable it for OmniDiskSweeper. Then reopen OmniDiskSweeper and it should reveal the missing data.

Re: Apple, What Have You Done?

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Post by nottorp »

techterrier wrote: post #12

I've seen one of these posts for every single one of the ~15 years I've been using apple products, and yet still here we are, and for most it still the least worst OS going.

Yes, it's like in that joke about not having to run faster than the bear.

As long as their competition is what it is, they don't have to put much effort in.

Re: Apple, What Have You Done?

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Post by altern8 »

graemep wrote: post #25
altern8 wrote: post #10

Steve Jobs was an extremely unusual CEO. He was hands on, talked to designers, developers, and users, and actually cared about making good products. Tim Cook is more of a regular CEO that wants to make money for the shareholders. He started doing stock buybacks and in general prioritizing making money. macOS is still the best OS I'd want to use IMO--if you can manage to avoid upgrading to Tahoe--but Apple seems to de…

Steve Jobs was a founder of the company. He expected to remain CEO for many years (until his illness). I do not know whether he still have a large stake but its likely he did, and he certainly formed his approach when he did. That motivated him to look at the long term as he expected to benefit from increases in the value of the business over the long term. A regular CEO looks more at the short term. The value when t…

Yes, I agree.

So, I guess our only hope is to get Woz back..?

Re: Apple, What Have You Done?

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Post by mszmszmsz »

valleyer wrote: post #17
mszmszmsz wrote: post #9

We need a new "snow leopard" release. No new features. Cleaning up the mess. Ethically speaking, there's no excuses for Apple. They're sitting on a huge pile of resources. Don't have the team competent enough to handle stuff? Hire them. Yet I know that's not how capitalism works.

As someone who witnessed a lot of the quality decline at Apple from the inside, hiring more people is decidedly not the answer. All that does is encourages management to engage in more churn, which is the source of these sorts of bugs. The answer, unfortunately, is that features need to be sunsetted/removed, the engineering org shrunk, and for a smaller group to concentrate on a reliable product core.

It's not about the sheer numer of people, it's about their quality as managers, engineers, art directors and designers. Hire the best, pay them accordingly. Things can thrive without austerity, given enough good resources.
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