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A smartphone that runs Android, launches Debian, and dual-boots Windows 11

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Re: A smartphone that runs Android, launches Debian, and dual-boots Windows 11

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Post by fsflover »

adrian_b wrote: post #20
fsflover wrote: post #19

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Specs do not show the whole pucture: https://puri.sm/posts/the-danger-of-focusing-on-specs/ Librem 5 is my daily driver btw.

While I partially agree with what it says at your link, about specs depending on the context, I am also well aware about the actual performance of quadruple Cortex-A53 CPUs and how it compares with alternatives, because about a decade ago I have used many single-board computers with various kinds of such CPUs (including Raspberry Pi, but also other very different SoCs). I eventually abandoned them for better alternat…

> The point is that there is no need to restrain yourself to cope with its limitations, because for more than a decade there have been much better alternatives.

Where are those alternatives? Which phones with a better CPU can run GNU/Linux?

Re: A smartphone that runs Android, launches Debian, and dual-boots Windows 11

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Post by JCattheATM »

fsflover wrote: post #21
adrian_b wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I partially agree with what it says at your link, about specs depending on the context, I am also well aware about the actual performance of quadruple Cortex-A53 CPUs and how it compares with alternatives, because about a decade ago I have used many single-board computers with various kinds of such CPUs (including Raspberry Pi, but also other very different SoCs). I eventually abandoned them for better alternat…

> The point is that there is no need to restrain yourself to cope with its limitations, because for more than a decade there have been much better alternatives. Where are those alternatives? Which phones with a better CPU can run GNU/Linux?

What about phones from OnePlus for example, sever of which can run PostmarketOS.

Re: A smartphone that runs Android, launches Debian, and dual-boots Windows 11

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Post by fsflover »

JCattheATM wrote: post #22
fsflover wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The point is that there is no need to restrain yourself to cope with its limitations, because for more than a decade there have been much better alternatives. Where are those alternatives? Which phones with a better CPU can run GNU/Linux?

What about phones from OnePlus for example, sever of which can run PostmarketOS.

AFAIK none of them can run GNU/Linux natively: only on top of Android.

Re: A smartphone that runs Android, launches Debian, and dual-boots Windows 11

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Post by JCattheATM »

fsflover wrote: post #23
JCattheATM wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about phones from OnePlus for example, sever of which can run PostmarketOS.

AFAIK none of them can run GNU/Linux natively: only on top of Android.

Never heard anything like that about PostmarketOS before, and couldn't find anything confirming that's the case.

Re: A smartphone that runs Android, launches Debian, and dual-boots Windows 11

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Post by fsflover »

JCattheATM wrote: post #24
fsflover wrote: post #23

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AFAIK none of them can run GNU/Linux natively: only on top of Android.

Never heard anything like that about PostmarketOS before, and couldn't find anything confirming that's the case.

Good call. It seems this is just one way to run it, https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Hybris. Another way is to run mainline kernel, which is currently supported by few devices, including Librem 5, Pinephone, Fairphone 2, OnePlus. It seems only the first two run with all FLOSS drivers and full support: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices

So, for OnePlus, you may stop getting updates for proprietary drivers whenever the vendor decides so. Also, not all features are supported due to the difficulty of reverse-engineering the drivers.

Re: A smartphone that runs Android, launches Debian, and dual-boots Windows 11

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Post by JCattheATM »

fsflover wrote: post #25
JCattheATM wrote: post #24

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Never heard anything like that about PostmarketOS before, and couldn't find anything confirming that's the case.

Good call. It seems this is just one way to run it, https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Hybris . Another way is to run mainline kernel, which is currently supported by few devices, including Librem 5, Pinephone, Fairphone 2, OnePlus. It seems only the first two run with all FLOSS drivers and full support: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices So, for OnePlus, you may stop getting updates for proprietary drivers w…

Driver updates generally stablize, and new updates aren't really needed, so I don't think that's an issue.

Re: A smartphone that runs Android, launches Debian, and dual-boots Windows 11

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Post by fsflover »

JCattheATM wrote: post #26
fsflover wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good call. It seems this is just one way to run it, https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Hybris . Another way is to run mainline kernel, which is currently supported by few devices, including Librem 5, Pinephone, Fairphone 2, OnePlus. It seems only the first two run with all FLOSS drivers and full support: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices So, for OnePlus, you may stop getting updates for proprietary drivers w…

Driver updates generally stablize, and new updates aren't really needed, so I don't think that's an issue.

Vulnerabilities are found in drivers all the time.

Re: A smartphone that runs Android, launches Debian, and dual-boots Windows 11

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Post by JCattheATM »

fsflover wrote: post #27
JCattheATM wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Driver updates generally stablize, and new updates aren't really needed, so I don't think that's an issue.

Vulnerabilities are found in drivers all the time.

That's a huge exaggeration, honestly. I don't think there are any outstanding vulnerabilities in any of the OnePlus T devices that can run PMOS.

Re: A smartphone that runs Android, launches Debian, and dual-boots Windows 11

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Post by necovek »

fsflover wrote: post #15
necovek wrote: post #6

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But note that I am unlikely to get one today: with a drawer full of Linux phones (from Motorola A1200, Nokia N900 and N9, Palm Pre+, HP Pre 3, PinePhone, Meizu MX4 shipped with Ubuntu, and Nexus 4 running Ubuntu), I'd really be looking for something that does exactly what I want with enough performance to actually dock to my 8k TV or 4k dual screen setup.

Somehow your list misses Librem 5, which is more powerful than others, although not as powerful as the Nexphone will.

It's more expensive and not sufficiently more powerful: I would also have to pay customs duties to import it into Serbia. The above are actual devices I own or have owned, it's natural I did not get all of them (including like PinePhone Pro).

Re: A smartphone that runs Android, launches Debian, and dual-boots Windows 11

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Post by fsflover »

JCattheATM wrote: post #28
fsflover wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vulnerabilities are found in drivers all the time.

That's a huge exaggeration, honestly. I don't think there are any outstanding vulnerabilities in any of the OnePlus T devices that can run PMOS.

This is not at all what I wrote. I wrote that with proprietary drivers, you're always at the risk of being vulnerable with no recourse.
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