Not a very good year for them though:
https://longyield.substack.com/p/porsche-in-crisis-when-an-i...
Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars
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#23The key part is electrified and not pure electric.
On this note: It was recently reported that Electrified vehicles in general outsold conventional ICE powered vehicles in Australia, claiming it has reached a 'tipping point' with consumers:
https://www.drive.com.au/news/electrified-vehicles-have-offi...
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#24a lot of these luxury brands have been eating off china the past few years but now they've lost their luster since china makes cars better than most luxury brands and china has a moat in EVs so what's left is either the US or emerging markets
> china makes cars better than most luxury brands More like China makes cheaper cars which is enough for most people.
Believe it or not, people aren't buying Audis in China because they're thrifty.
China was a huge market for Audi in the past as luxury status symbol. However, now Chinese buyers are so enamored with new tech-heavy Chinese luxury cars that Audi had to go make a whole sub-brand specific to the Chinese market just to stay in the game[1].
[1] https://www.audi-mediacenter.com/en/press-releases/double-de...
Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars
#25I think Porsche is really in trouble here. I’m not anti-EV but the electric Macan and Cayenne look awful. They are under equipped technologically relative to their Chinese peers (heck basically anything). Porsche sort of sold its soul for this tech-forward design but it doesn’t deliver any meaningful benefits, these cars don’t even have level 2+ highway cruise control. In the meantime I get a bunch of crap screens an…
I keep seeing "underequipped technologically relative to their Chinese peers" on HN. What kind of stuff is missing? This is not a loaded question, I only drive a couple times a month, and the vehicle I'm driving is an older Prius, so I probably lack imagination. EVs are supposed to be technologically pretty simple, most of an EV's value being in the battery packs. I've been thinking about upgrading, perhaps to a Niss…
I think a few things.
1. They do not have robust self-driving capability. At this level of expense I expect hands-free major highway driving.
2. They’ve removed a lot of physical buttons that improve quality of life, the level of technology in the cabin is simply overwhelming.
3. They’ve done a great job with the driving experience of the EVs but they have poor range relative to the competition.
Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars
#26a lot of these luxury brands have been eating off china the past few years but now they've lost their luster since china makes cars better than most luxury brands and china has a moat in EVs so what's left is either the US or emerging markets
> china makes cars better than most luxury brands More like China makes cheaper cars which is enough for most people.
Google "Zeekr 9X" and then come back here if you still feel this way.
Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars
#27The key part is electrified and not pure electric.
On this note: It was recently reported that Electrified vehicles in general outsold conventional ICE powered vehicles in Australia, claiming it has reached a 'tipping point' with consumers: https://www.drive.com.au/news/electrified-vehicles-have-offi...
I wonder if fake hybrids [1] were counted as well.
[1] https://www.carscoops.com/2025/10/toyota-accuses-rivals-of-s...
Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars
#28The key part is electrified and not pure electric.
"electrified" is full-electric plus plug-in hybrid. Does this mean that a non-plug-in hybrid would be in the "pure combustion-engined" bucket, or that they don't make those?
I believe the only non-plug in hybrid they make is the 911 with the T-Hybrid system in it. It uses motors to assist performance, but is not a plug-in.
It’s probably just an incredibly small number of sales?
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> china makes cars better than most luxury brands More like China makes cheaper cars which is enough for most people.
Google "Zeekr 9X" and then come back here if you still feel this way.
That is ugly AF and there is no way I'd buy that over a Porsche.
Zeekr 001 is prettier outside but inside still is terrible. https://www.datocms-assets.com/143770/1728613060-rectangle-4...
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China may become the superpower on volume but I would be surprised if the upper quartile (by price) of western buyers were interested in Chinese vehicles. Too much quality issues across the board on Chinese made products, unless you have a trusted non-Chinese company with stringent quality control (e.g. Apple model). I’m sure they can handily win the lower end of the market though. And yes I’m aware many western manu…
Selling the most cars will eventually translate into making the best cars, with the compounding experience and network effects.
> Selling the most x will eventually translate into making the best x
It’s a theory for sure, but I don’t think that’s a common strategy for modern capitalism.