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Nvidia contacted Anna's Archive to access books

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Re: Nvidia contacted Anna's Archive to access books

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People HAVE to somehow notice how hungry for proper data AI companies are when one of the largest companies propping the fastest growing market STILL has to go to such length, getting actual approval for pirated content while they are hardware manufacturer.

I keep hearing how it's fine because synthetic data will solve it all, how new techniques, feedback etc. Then why do that?

The promises are not matching the resources available and this makes it blatantly clear.

Re: Nvidia contacted Anna's Archive to access books

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post #15

Sounds like BS. Why would nvidia need the books. Do they even have a chatbot? I doubt the books help with framegen.

The same reason Intel worked on OpenCV : they want to sell more hardware by pushing the state of the art of what software can do on THEIR hardware.

It's basically just a sales demonstrator, that optionally, if incredibly successful and costly they can still sell as SaaS, if not just offer for free.

Think of it as a tech ad.

Re: Nvidia contacted Anna's Archive to access books

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I'm wondering what Amazon is planning to do with their access to all those Kindle books.

What do you mean 'planning'. You think they haven't already been sucked up?

What do you mean 'sucked up'? It's data on their machines already, people willingly give them the data, so Amazon can process and offer it to readers. No sucking needed, just use the data people uploaded to you already.

Re: Nvidia contacted Anna's Archive to access books

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> In response, NVIDIA defended its actions as fair use, noting that books are nothing more than statistical correlations to its AI models. Does this even make sense? Are the copyright laws so bad that a statement like this would actually be in NVIDIA’s favor?

When you're responsible for 4% of the global GDP, they let you do it.

Re: Nvidia contacted Anna's Archive to access books

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> In response, NVIDIA defended its actions as fair use, noting that books are nothing more than statistical correlations to its AI models. Does this even make sense? Are the copyright laws so bad that a statement like this would actually be in NVIDIA’s favor?

It does make sense. It’s controversial. Your memory memorizes things in the same way. So what nvidia does here is no different, the AI doesn’t actually copy any of the books. To call training illegal is similar to calling reading a book and remembering it illegal. Our copyright laws are nowhere near detailed enough to specify anything in detail here so there is indeed a logical and technical inconsistency here. I can…

> To call training illegal is similar to calling reading a book and remembering it illegal.

Perhaps, but reproducing the book from this memory could very well be illegal.

And these models are all about production.

Re: Nvidia contacted Anna's Archive to access books

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post #3

> In response, NVIDIA defended its actions as fair use, noting that books are nothing more than statistical correlations to its AI models. Does this even make sense? Are the copyright laws so bad that a statement like this would actually be in NVIDIA’s favor?

It does make sense. It’s controversial. Your memory memorizes things in the same way. So what nvidia does here is no different, the AI doesn’t actually copy any of the books. To call training illegal is similar to calling reading a book and remembering it illegal. Our copyright laws are nowhere near detailed enough to specify anything in detail here so there is indeed a logical and technical inconsistency here. I can…

> To call training illegal is similar to calling reading a book and remembering it illegal.

A type of wishful thinking fallacy.

In law scale matters. It's legal for you to possess a single joint. It's not legal to possess 400 tons of weed in a warehouse.

Re: Nvidia contacted Anna's Archive to access books

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does make sense. It’s controversial. Your memory memorizes things in the same way. So what nvidia does here is no different, the AI doesn’t actually copy any of the books. To call training illegal is similar to calling reading a book and remembering it illegal. Our copyright laws are nowhere near detailed enough to specify anything in detail here so there is indeed a logical and technical inconsistency here. I can…

> To call training illegal is similar to calling reading a book and remembering it illegal. Perhaps, but reproducing the book from this memory could very well be illegal. And these models are all about production.

To be fair, that seems to be where some of the IA lawsuits are going. The argument goes that the models themselves aren't derivative works, but the output they produce can absolutely be - in much the same way that reproducing a book from memory could be copyright violation, trademark infringement, or generally go afoul of the various IP laws.

Re: Nvidia contacted Anna's Archive to access books

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post #3

> In response, NVIDIA defended its actions as fair use, noting that books are nothing more than statistical correlations to its AI models. Does this even make sense? Are the copyright laws so bad that a statement like this would actually be in NVIDIA’s favor?

> Does this even make sense? Are the copyright laws so bad that a statement like this would actually be in NVIDIA’s favor?

It makes some sense, yeah. There's also precedent, in google scanning massive amounts of books, but not reproducing them. Most of our current copyright laws deal with reproductions. That's a no-no. It gets murky on the rest. Nvda's argument here is that they're not reproducing the works, they're not providing the works for other people, they're "scanning the books and computing some statistics over the entire set". Kinda similar to Google. Kinda not.

I don't see how they get around "procuring them" from 3rd party dubious sources, but oh well. The only certain thing is that our current laws didn't cover this, and probably now it's too late.

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