If an employer is going to advertise unlimited PTO, I surely will take a week off every quarter in the US, plus any necessary sick time. Not using PTO doesn't make sense.
This would be less than the legal minimum in many countries.
Last year I eliminated our PTO policy. I called it "unlimited."
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#22"Unlimited" PTO, from an employee's perspective, is an obvious trap that borders on a scam. Everyone knows that, practically speaking, there can't really be unlimited PTO. When a company says it has unlimited PTO, what it's really saying is "we won't tell you the limit". That makes taking PTO a fearful thing, which is probably the whole idea.
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#23This one I always found super weird, because typically in Europe you just can't carry days over beyond the current year, so that argument for it never really held. Or at least, not many, my current employer lets me roll over 5 but they have to be used by 1st March. In the UK we're typically by law entitled to 25 days inc. bank (i.e. public) holidays, but most 'professional' jobs will give you at least 25 days plus ba…
In Sweden it's allowed to carry over 5 days (or maybe more depending on the collective agreements, a bit hazy on that) from the previous year, for a maximum of 5 years. So if you save 5 days every year by year 5 you can take 25 additional days off.
I wish more European countries relocated holidays to the closest Fri/Mon, I know that Ireland the UK do it, it's such a drag when most holidays fall on a Sat/Sun...
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am trying to imagine. The end result is similar. In Europe it would be "unlimited unpaid vacation days on top of the mandatory paid vacation". The same problems will appear: self-restrict to taking it. Management would never help employees to take the days. My manager does not help me even take the mandatory legal days, it's all on me to deal with priorities and deliverables and find a way to still take vacation. W…
Oh I don't doubt that the mandated leave entitlements and severance would be kept. But I think actual leave taken would increase, bounded only by the fact that taking holidays is expensive , and kids have to go to school. So you balance your career progression and hence holiday spending power in the future against immediate satisfaction from taking leave. I think many jobs without a meaningful career trajectory would…
I don't think career plans matter. Workload does. If you have a work plan and taking any free days puts it in jeopardy, you will not take any extra free days. And if not meeting the full work plan results in no salary updates, which is technically not a punishment and it is allowed by law in most of Europe, with some inflation (over 10% in my country) it is practically a pay cut, so you can't afford that.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh I don't doubt that the mandated leave entitlements and severance would be kept. But I think actual leave taken would increase, bounded only by the fact that taking holidays is expensive , and kids have to go to school. So you balance your career progression and hence holiday spending power in the future against immediate satisfaction from taking leave. I think many jobs without a meaningful career trajectory would…
I don't think career plans matter. Workload does. If you have a work plan and taking any free days puts it in jeopardy, you will not take any extra free days. And if not meeting the full work plan results in no salary updates, which is technically not a punishment and it is allowed by law in most of Europe, with some inflation (over 10% in my country) it is practically a pay cut, so you can't afford that.
That would certainly not fly in France, it would land the employer in a tribunal. Paying someone less because you gave them more work than could be completed during working hours?! Non, impossible.
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#26Is there a work-appropriate synonym for shitpost?
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#27Is this flagged because YC companies have unlimited PTO policies?