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Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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The full text of the letter CC'd by Trump directly to multiple European governments: "Dear [Norwegian PM] Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America. Denmark cannot protect tha…

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Another day, another step closer to O.N.A.N. - Organisation of North American Nations - as predicted by David Foster Wallace in Infinite Jest.

DFW, Neal Stephenson, and Idiocracy seemed funny 25 years ago. Not so much now that they seem to have predicted where we have arrived.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who "they"? The problem here is that Trump believes that the Norwegian government has any say in what a private organisation is doing, and - to be frank - just shows that Trump is a tyrant who wants everyone to use illegal force to please him.

They would be The Norwegian Nobel Committee, who at this point should realize what a disaster their prize has been, and not only last year. It was inherently poorly conceived, and shouldn't be awarded to the living, who can and do go on to wage war, agitate social instability, and act against the interests of peace.

Having a situation where a president demands the peace prize otherwise he causes a war isn’t a good look for Nobel, and shows that we’ve now moved so far from the original intention of the prize that the peace component really should be scrapped.

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They would be The Norwegian Nobel Committee, who at this point should realize what a disaster their prize has been, and not only last year. It was inherently poorly conceived, and shouldn't be awarded to the living, who can and do go on to wage war, agitate social instability, and act against the interests of peace.

Having a situation where a president demands the peace prize otherwise he causes a war isn’t a good look for Nobel, and shows that we’ve now moved so far from the original intention of the prize that the peace component really should be scrapped.

The brink of world war 3 over fucking goodhart’s law.

We are not a serious species.

Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a situation where a president demands the peace prize otherwise he causes a war isn’t a good look for Nobel, and shows that we’ve now moved so far from the original intention of the prize that the peace component really should be scrapped.

The brink of world war 3 over fucking goodhart’s law. We are not a serious species.

When combined with the Peter principle, it doesn’t make for great progress, no.

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They would be The Norwegian Nobel Committee, who at this point should realize what a disaster their prize has been, and not only last year. It was inherently poorly conceived, and shouldn't be awarded to the living, who can and do go on to wage war, agitate social instability, and act against the interests of peace.

Having a situation where a president demands the peace prize otherwise he causes a war isn’t a good look for Nobel, and shows that we’ve now moved so far from the original intention of the prize that the peace component really should be scrapped.

Right! Either scrap it, or award it only to (A) those recently deceased who have devoted their lives to making peace, or (B) defunct organizations who have completed their mission and had operated in the interests of peace.

Giving a "peace" award to living people/organizations -- who can and do go on to sully the award with most unpeaceful deeds -- is a proven failure.

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At this point they should really do away with the peace prize, or dramatically change how it's granted. As things stand, it's frequently a complete debacle. (Of course in 2025, but see also, e.g., Abiy Ahmed.) Or an embarrassment. (Too many examples to list.) They ought to either cancel the thing outright, or invert the usual Nobel Prize rule and only award the peace prize posthumously. That would solve every problem…

A local PTA has a "parent of the month" award. One month, a vain, vindictive, mentally unstable, and heavily armed parent who tirelessly lobbied for the award and lost begins physically threatening and menacing their neighbors, declaring that if they won't be recognized as the best parent, then by god they'll just take what they're owed until they feel they've gotten what is "psychologically needed for success." In t…

This analogy would work if 2025 were an isolated incident. But the award has been a joke for a very long time, if not actively harmful, and recent events make such a mockery of its founding premises that it's simply too much to bear. What if the "parent of the month" award were perpetually mired in controversy? I think it would be fair to reconsider the thing.

Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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For the record, in 1917 the US bought the then Danish West Indies and made them the United States Virgin Islands and gave up Greenland:

> During 1916, the two sides agreed to a sale price of $25,000,000, and the United States accepted a Danish demand for a declaration stating that they would "not object to the Danish Government extending their political and economic interests to the whole of Greenland".[12][18] Although it had a claim on northern Greenland based on explorations by Charles Francis Hall[19] and Robert Peary, the United States decided that the purchase was more important, especially because of the nearby Panama Canal.[20] Historian Bo Lidegaard questions the utility of such a declaration, as the country had never disputed Danish sovereignty.[12]

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_the_Danish_West_Indi...

See:

> In proceeding this day to the signature of the Convention respecting the cession of the Danish West-Indian Islands to the United States of America, the undersigned Secretary of State of the United States of America, duly authorized by his Government, has the honor to declare that the Government of the United States of America will not object to the Danish Government extending their political and economic interests to the whole of Greenland.

* https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1917/d881

Re: Trump Links Greenland Threats to Nobel Peace Prize Snub

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post #23

Another day, another step closer to O.N.A.N. - Organisation of North American Nations - as predicted by David Foster Wallace in Infinite Jest. DFW, Neal Stephenson, and Idiocracy seemed funny 25 years ago. Not so much now that they seem to have predicted where we have arrived.

> DFW, Neal Stephenson, and Idiocracy seemed funny 25 years ago. Not so much now that they seem to have predicted where we have arrived.

Idiocracy did not predict things accurately: in that movie the President acknowledges that he does not have all the answers and asks questions (and listens) to people he recognizes as knowing more from him. That is not the situation currently.

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