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Re: Rap Genius: Impish Ivy Leaguers Raise Millions for Internet Decoder Ring

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Let me start by saying that I like Rap Genius and use it pretty frequently. They've done a great job creating an annotation system for rap lyrics, and I think that it could scale well to other genres of music and certain kinds of poetry. Their public personas may or may not hurt adoption outside of the hip-hop community, but it's too early to tell[1]. I think a bigger challenge will be overcoming the natural constrai…

> I'm sure this has already crossed their minds, so I'm interested in seeing how they deal with the problem.

This is the really interesting thing here. There are already song explanation sites but they are pretty terrible. They've got a great interface and a vision, now they have lots of resources to really step their game up and offer deeper commentary, multiple commentaries, etc. I'd love to see some kind of interface to show multiple readings of a poem; all the feminist viewpoints, historical, all the different ways in to something really complex.

Re: Rap Genius: Impish Ivy Leaguers Raise Millions for Internet Decoder Ring

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Azealia Banks' 212 is absolutely killer -- and it is, in fact, exactly the track upon which I found out about Rap Genius. Kudos.

They should think about alternative branding for the other types of content, though. Maybe "what's the rap?" or "rapsheet."

Re: Rap Genius: Impish Ivy Leaguers Raise Millions for Internet Decoder Ring

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I don't know about that. A universal annotation platform that reached its full potential could basically eat the entire Internet. You can see hints of that in the founders' public interviews, when they say they want all of Business Insider's articles annotated on Rap Genius, for instance. The area is fraught with copyright concerns, and who knows if Rap Genius is the company to pull it off, but anything with that sor…

If they pulled that off it would mean the government effectively repealed the notion of copyright (I could read any book I wanted to on rapgenius). I'm not sure how likely that is.

I doubt they could go so far as hosting full books, but they're going to find out exactly where the line is.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they pulled that off it would mean the government effectively repealed the notion of copyright (I could read any book I wanted to on rapgenius). I'm not sure how likely that is.

I doubt they could go so far as hosting full books, but they're going to find out exactly where the line is.

In United States copyright law, fair use is a doctrine that permits > use of copyrighted material without acquiring permission from the rights holders. Examples of fair use include commentary, search engines, criticism, news reporting, research, teaching, library archiving and scholarship. It provides for the legal, unlicensed citation or incorporation of copyrighted material in another author's work under a four-factor balancing test.

-- They will need to overcome the spotify issue, presumably [1]

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[1] The underlying issue is the model appears to be leveraging in-copyright source material. The rights holders will argue its a for-profit platform for re-publication, rather than a permitted use in a limited capacity. That is the issue at hand for the market and/or courts to decide.

viz:

17 U.S.C. § 107

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 17 U.S.C. § 106 and 17 U.S.C. § 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include:

  1     the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
  2     the nature of the copyrighted work;
  3     the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
  4     the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.**
 
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However, there is reason to think a deal could be structured that benefits all parties. The business has potential to add real value, as it is a new channel for adding new life into legacy content libraries (for example).

Re: Rap Genius: Impish Ivy Leaguers Raise Millions for Internet Decoder Ring

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post #14

Let me start by saying that I like Rap Genius and use it pretty frequently. They've done a great job creating an annotation system for rap lyrics, and I think that it could scale well to other genres of music and certain kinds of poetry. Their public personas may or may not hurt adoption outside of the hip-hop community, but it's too early to tell[1]. I think a bigger challenge will be overcoming the natural constrai…

> I'm sure this has already crossed their minds, so I'm interested in seeing how they deal with the problem. This is the really interesting thing here. There are already song explanation sites but they are pretty terrible. They've got a great interface and a vision, now they have lots of resources to really step their game up and offer deeper commentary, multiple commentaries, etc. I'd love to see some kind of interf…

Not to mention (potentially!) becoming the place to go to talk about articles on the Internet. This all depends on the direction they take their technology.

Re: Rap Genius: Impish Ivy Leaguers Raise Millions for Internet Decoder Ring

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I strongly disagree with the negative sentiment expressed thus far in the comments. Understand, that when articles are hosted on the rapgenius.com domain, that the user base will mainly comment on allegories, make jokes, and explain vernacular. However, Law Genius, Bible Genius and other areas they expand to will be targeted to people working / following those domains: people with expertise to add valuable commentary.

rapgenius.com (the site) proves the model of Rap Genius (the company). They were able to attract a critical mass of domain experts to explain rap music. Moreover, their SEO model works. Imagine if in a year a search for Brown v. Board gives you results for Wikipedia and Law Genius. Wikipedia summarizes and quotes. Law genius is a primary source that presumably will have annotations from domain experts. If properly executed, the Rap Genius model will enable a wider audience to deal with primary sources, leveraging crowd-sourced commenting to enable a person with little domain knowledge to understand the original document.

Re: Rap Genius: Impish Ivy Leaguers Raise Millions for Internet Decoder Ring

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There's a very simple explanation. Ben Horowitz invested in them because he loves rap music. Perhaps these kids chose this specific niche (rap music lyrics) in order to target a name partner in a top VC firm. Not a bad strategy if you want to raise a shitload of money in order to win the annotated web.

Re: Rap Genius: Impish Ivy Leaguers Raise Millions for Internet Decoder Ring

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt they could go so far as hosting full books, but they're going to find out exactly where the line is.

In United States copyright law, fair use is a doctrine that permits > use of copyrighted material without acquiring permission from the rights holders. Examples of fair use include commentary, search engines, criticism, news reporting, research, teaching, library archiving and scholarship. It provides for the legal, unlicensed citation or incorporation of copyrighted material in another author's work under a four-fac…

One of the biggest questions will be how transformative annotations are, and whether that will give adequate protection if users upload large chunks of copyrighted text. Google's use of thumbnails in image search wound up being covered by fair use[1] for this reason, and a judge recently ruled that book scanning was covered by fair use[2], as well. From the article:

> "The use to which the works in the HDL are put is transformative because the copies serve an entirely different purpose than the original works: the purpose is superior search capabilities rather than actual access to copyrighted material," wrote Judge Baer. "The search capabilities of the HDL have already given rise to new methods of academic inquiry such as text mining."

This might set precedent for a showdown over annotations that quote extensively from the source text, since online annotation systems also "[give] rise to new methods of academic inquiry."

The main point here is that laws about fair use are pretty vague, and new technologies always shake things up. We don't know what is legal and what isn't until it's put before a judge. In the case of Google's book scanning, the court case took seven years, which shows just how tricky this area of law can be.

[1] http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2007/05/google-v-perfect-...

[2] http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/10/court-rules-book-...

Re: Rap Genius: Impish Ivy Leaguers Raise Millions for Internet Decoder Ring

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Crazy, I remember the old days of hip hop, the late 80s. Arguably the zenith of the art form, the golden age. I hadn't the slightest clue back then that it would be used to sell Chryslers, vodka, and that some of the veteran practicioners would be chopping it up with Warren Buffet.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/19/warren-buffett-jay-... http://video.forbes.com/fvn/forbes400-10/jay-z-buffett-forbe...

It's come a long way, from basement/block parties to a cultural force.

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