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Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand

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Post by buellerbueller »

mindslight wrote: post #8
buellerbueller wrote: post #2

General Strike. Shut down the economy until ICE is out. Put the Trump administration under economic siege. It is peaceful, and it will work.

I always see "general strike" mentioned as if it's some powerful solution to work towards. But even ignoring the practicalities of organizing such a thing, I don't understand how the effects would be helpful. It's not like the brownshirts would go on strike, Trump is happy to print trillions of dollars in new debt, it would impoverish many of the very people working against this, and the type of society-wrecking chao…

It will very definitely crash the economy, eventually, regardless of the known issues you point out.

Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand

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Post by bediger4000 »

Very clearly, there's zero reason to do what Trump's ICE is doing, house-to-house searches, violating first amendment rights, not following laws, shooting bystanders. Minnesota is not what Trump depicts. The reason is probably because Tim Walz ran against Trump in 2024.

What's the desired end point here? Just to prove that nobody can run against Trump? Trump will use his personally loyal security force to make any opponent's city a smoking crater? What does that get Trump, or his successor Republican? Why would anyone in any state where Trump cuts off already allocated federal spending vote for him ever again, much less why would Minnesota?

Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand

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Post by mindslight »

buellerbueller wrote: post #21
mindslight wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always see "general strike" mentioned as if it's some powerful solution to work towards. But even ignoring the practicalities of organizing such a thing, I don't understand how the effects would be helpful. It's not like the brownshirts would go on strike, Trump is happy to print trillions of dollars in new debt, it would impoverish many of the very people working against this, and the type of society-wrecking chao…

It will very definitely crash the economy, eventually, regardless of the known issues you point out.

Yes, sure. But this appears to be one of Trump's goals as well. Every single policy seems designed to irredeemably wreck our country - riffing off of longstanding frustrations of Republicans and ostensibly framed in terms of addressing them so they cheer in support, but implemented so terribly wrong that it's hard to keep assuming mere incompetence rather than an active hybrid warfare attack.

Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand

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Post by UncleMeat »

diogenescynic wrote: post #16
thomassmith65 wrote: post #11

I don't know what gets through to the average voter. Maybe Jesse Ventura: https://youtube.com/watch?v=udSUbBhA8I0

We're going to have to wait until Boomers age out to get any form of common sense government. They've absolutely been the most damaging generation and will leave a wake of destruction for future generations to recover (or not) from.

Believe it or not, gen-x is the only age group with a favorable opinion of ICE.

The way out of this is with vigorous antifascism today. Not waiting.

Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand

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Post by UncleMeat »

diogenescynic wrote: post #3

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Sanctuary cities just mean that local police do not cooperate with ICE. Not only is local law enforcement not required to do this, but it is actually unconstitutional for local law enforcement to enforce immigration law on their own.

As for Obama's deportations. First, there were a lot of leftist communities who were vocally outraged by Obama's expansion of federal law enforcement. Second, Obama's deportations tended to focus on people with criminal histories and didn't involve things like agents executing what they believe are general warrants, detaining people while they attend their legally required hearings, deporting people to foreign concentration camps, etc.

Trump has absolutely no interest in the rule of law. He is interested in establishing a racial caste system.

Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand

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Post by nullocator »

diogenescynic wrote: post #5
jmathai wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when Obama deported 3M+ illegals, the sanctuary cities helped and the media didn't cover it like it was Nazi Germany Perhaps it has to do with the method used? I don't think most people are in favor of illegal immigration. That would be an extremist view. Most people are probably somewhere in the middle and I don't think that band is too wide.

>Perhaps it has to do with the method used? It was different because the sanctuary cities turned over lists of the students whose parents weren't citizens. It made it a lot easier. Also no media coverage. You won't know if the tactics were any different because democrat cities actually complied with the law. Again, it goes to democrats being hypocrites and selectively caring/enforcing issues when they think people ar…

many citations needed.

You seem so fixated on communities not helping ICE to your satisfaction that you're blinded by ICE's atrocities. I guess your admission that you are an ICE employee or adjacent is enough explanation for that though.

Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand

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Post by recursivecaveat »

aebtebeten wrote: post #18
diogenescynic wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're going to have to wait until Boomers age out to get any form of common sense government. They've absolutely been the most damaging generation and will leave a wake of destruction for future generations to recover (or not) from.

Waiting doesn't work; ask me how I know :-) (I voted with my feet instead: it only takes ~2 years to learn a language) Actual substantive comment: My personal theory (looking from this side of the Atlantic) is that ICE got weaponised in this format precisely because the US Military wanted no part of thuggery, eg this 2020 memo: https://www.jcs.mil/Portals/36/Documents/CJCS%20Memo%20to%20... Is this a reasonable theor…

Interesting, where did you move?

Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand

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Post by dttze »

diogenescynic wrote: post #5
jmathai wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when Obama deported 3M+ illegals, the sanctuary cities helped and the media didn't cover it like it was Nazi Germany Perhaps it has to do with the method used? I don't think most people are in favor of illegal immigration. That would be an extremist view. Most people are probably somewhere in the middle and I don't think that band is too wide.

>Perhaps it has to do with the method used? It was different because the sanctuary cities turned over lists of the students whose parents weren't citizens. It made it a lot easier. Also no media coverage. You won't know if the tactics were any different because democrat cities actually complied with the law. Again, it goes to democrats being hypocrites and selectively caring/enforcing issues when they think people ar…

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Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand

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Post by kccoder »

diogenescynic wrote: post #3

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> tens of millions of illegal immigrants

Any chance you have a source for that? Based on everything I'm seeing there were at most a 5M increase in illegal immigrants under Biden. Which is way too many, but doesn't justify the extreme measures this administration is taking, harassing, shooting, obstructing the lives and livelihood of the entire city of Minneapolis. You mentioned the lack of fanfare around Obama's deportations...how many US citizens were killed as part of that operation? Were they going door-to-door asking for people's papers, were they abducting US citizen teenagers from their jobs, then dumping them willy-nilly? It is ABSURD to claim that this administrations actions are justified.

I deeply hope that you are able to develop some empathy and reduce the anger you clearly harbor.

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