Live data from Hacker News

IQ and Religion

hypnosis.home.netcom.com

21–28 of 28 posts

Re: IQ and Religion

#21
Well, religion (mythology) is the result of humans not understanding something and attempting to explain it using fantasy elements. Which is very normal and natural.

So if a society currently lacks the education or intelligence to understand complex scientific principals of course they're going to use fantasy to try to understand the world around them. Once people understand the world around them using non-fantasy or non-religious explanations, they usually abandon religion.

The way I see it, science and religion are just 2 different ways of achieving "understanding". All humans want answers, and will get those answers using which ever method, science or religion, they have access to (sometimes both).

So apparently:

- Religion causes people to have low IQs (No)

- People who are religious are usually of a lower intelligence (Not really)

- People who are of a lower intelligence usually tend to be more religious (Yes, usually)

- Some people are both very intelligent and very religious (Yes)

If these observations are true, how much of society will be offended by them?

Re: IQ and Religion

#22
This is complete bunk.

Why? Because firstly, IQ is flawed because it fails to take into account different forms of intelligence - for instance, an African living in the bush may not be as good linguistically, but will be a far more "intelligent" hunter than the average western person. IQ tests have been repeatedly criticised for failing to adapt to cultural differences, and are effectively geared towards a western understanding of human intelligence - essentially, it's like comparing a long jumper and a sprinter, having them both sprint, and then declaring the sprinter is a better all-round sportsman.

Religion could also be linked to, for instance, poverty or desperate conditions. It's all very well sitting back in our cities with power and relatively good pay and oodles of free time, philosophising to ourselves and declaring that god could not possible exist, but for people in packed, impoverished slums, religions serves as a motivator, either by being the only thing that gives people hope, or principally because one is taught it at a young age and doesn't have the time or education to question it with science or reason. This has nothing to do with a "lack of intelligence". Religion is also a much greater part of society - think about England several hundred years ago - many of the great minds were religious, simply because it was just the given thing to be, it was the Zeitgeist.

Apologies for the aggressive tone, but this study just reeks of cultural imperialism and sneering at others without really attempting to understand anything.

Re: IQ and Religion

#23
"IQ is not lower because nation is more religious. IQ is lower because the nation is poorer."

I am mystified as to why people assume that education provides a higher IQ.

IQ is ability to learn; the brains ability to solve problems in an independent way and has nothing to do with education. If a person who rarely thinks deeply begins some form of education then they will receive a spike in IQ but it is not lasting.

A good way to think of it is the ability to think outside the box. There is no increase of IQ from education although a person with a high IQ may score better in an academic environment (or not if they are easily bored). Education is about memorizing facts whilst IQ is the ability to think.

Wealthy people don't feel a need for a God but poor people do.

Re: IQ and Religion

#24

"IQ is not lower because nation is more religious. IQ is lower because the nation is poorer." I am mystified as to why people assume that education provides a higher IQ. IQ is ability to learn; the brains ability to solve problems in an independent way and has nothing to do with education. If a person who rarely thinks deeply begins some form of education then they will receive a spike in IQ but it is not lasting. A…

Malnutrition can lead to low IQ: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environment_and_intelligence#Bi...

Re: IQ and Religion

#25
The irony is that the religious tend to be extremely educated and in history served as teachers of many things.

The Catholic Church believes in evolution (although its not exactly dogma). Pope John Paul II:

In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points.... Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than a hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies—which was neither planned nor sought—constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution

Dual Masters, Higher than avg IQ, & Catholic.

Re: IQ and Religion

#26
post #25

The irony is that the religious tend to be extremely educated and in history served as teachers of many things. The Catholic Church believes in evolution (although its not exactly dogma). Pope John Paul II: In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do n…

> The Catholic Church believes in evolution

How is this reconciled with Eve being created from Adam's rib? Genuinely curious.

Re: IQ and Religion

#27
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although I agree with you, this is not evident from the graph. There are some really poor countries on there with good IQ and low religiosity.

You can't discus religiosity without also discussing the local culture. In my country (Romania, claimed IQ average in the article being 94), because of the local culture and even though I'm sure there are plenty of atheists and agnostics around, people that are not religious do not usually admit it, because that brings with it the disapproval of society at large. And the local culture does shape the society you live…

Again, I agree. I'm just pointing out that this graph doesn't support well the theory of religiosity's correlation with poverty.

Re: IQ and Religion

#28
post #26
post #25

The irony is that the religious tend to be extremely educated and in history served as teachers of many things. The Catholic Church believes in evolution (although its not exactly dogma). Pope John Paul II: In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do n…

> The Catholic Church believes in evolution How is this reconciled with Eve being created from Adam's rib? Genuinely curious.

EDITTED ----

I probably should write that this is my opinion. Spiritual genesis vs physical genesis is described in the Old Testament.

Post reply on HN