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An Ode to the Return of Wysiwyg

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Re: An Ode to the Return of Wysiwyg

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Post by Terr_ »

WalterBright wrote: post #17
bigbuppo wrote: post #8

Back in the bad old days, people created websites because they had no choice in the matter. You simply had to do that to share anything with the rest of the world. Most of the tools we had back then still exist. The barrier to entry has never been lower, and those that are motivated to tinker do just that. But going through history... once mainstream blogging became a thing, and then social media conquered all, the m…

> those same monsters that destroyed the world we knew through monetizing everything That's why we get to use google for free. I use a ton of excellent free software.

"You're not the customer, you're the product being sold."

It's all very "free" until ICE rams my car and drags me away because someone sold them the geolocation and facial-recognition data being automatically collected by that "excellent" software.

OK, sure, that's a dramatic example, but the same principle holds for plenty of other scenarios involving employers, insurance rates, etc.

Re: An Ode to the Return of Wysiwyg

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Post by WalterBright »

Terr_ wrote: post #21
WalterBright wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> those same monsters that destroyed the world we knew through monetizing everything That's why we get to use google for free. I use a ton of excellent free software.

"You're not the customer, you're the product being sold." It's all very "free" until ICE rams my car and drags me away because someone sold them the geolocation and facial-recognition data being automatically collected by that "excellent" software. OK, sure, that's a dramatic example, but the same principle holds for plenty of other scenarios involving employers, insurance rates, etc.

The government already has your facial features recorded and databased. (From your passport photo, DL photo, and when you get on an airplane.) LPRs are being installed all over town by the government.

Re: An Ode to the Return of Wysiwyg

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Post by [deleted] »

WalterBright wrote: post #22
Terr_ wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You're not the customer, you're the product being sold." It's all very "free" until ICE rams my car and drags me away because someone sold them the geolocation and facial-recognition data being automatically collected by that "excellent" software. OK, sure, that's a dramatic example, but the same principle holds for plenty of other scenarios involving employers, insurance rates, etc.

The government already has your facial features recorded and databased. (From your passport photo, DL photo, and when you get on an airplane.) LPRs are being installed all over town by the government.

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Re: An Ode to the Return of Wysiwyg

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Post by Terr_ »

WalterBright wrote: post #22
Terr_ wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You're not the customer, you're the product being sold." It's all very "free" until ICE rams my car and drags me away because someone sold them the geolocation and facial-recognition data being automatically collected by that "excellent" software. OK, sure, that's a dramatic example, but the same principle holds for plenty of other scenarios involving employers, insurance rates, etc.

The government already has your facial features recorded and databased. (From your passport photo, DL photo, and when you get on an airplane.) LPRs are being installed all over town by the government.

I'm not sure what you mean here: Are you agreeing and layering on other depressing considerations, or are you downplaying that kind of privacy-break as having no effect?

It does matter. Imagine if Anne Frank (or Anna Franco) is hiding in my attic, and then myself or a guest accidentally takes a picture, perhaps without disabling the internet connection.

There's also the the social-graph it allows someone to construct:

https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metad...

Re: An Ode to the Return of Wysiwyg

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Post by what »

Terr_ wrote: post #21
WalterBright wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> those same monsters that destroyed the world we knew through monetizing everything That's why we get to use google for free. I use a ton of excellent free software.

"You're not the customer, you're the product being sold." It's all very "free" until ICE rams my car and drags me away because someone sold them the geolocation and facial-recognition data being automatically collected by that "excellent" software. OK, sure, that's a dramatic example, but the same principle holds for plenty of other scenarios involving employers, insurance rates, etc.

Are you an illegal alien? Or why are you concerned about ICE dragging you away?

Re: An Ode to the Return of Wysiwyg

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Post by sph »

Any article on the front page these days takes a random topic, then, however unrelated or tenuous the connection, turns it into a pitch for AI.

I’m so tired of this bait-and-switch /rant

Re: An Ode to the Return of Wysiwyg

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Post by mikestew »

what wrote: post #25
Terr_ wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You're not the customer, you're the product being sold." It's all very "free" until ICE rams my car and drags me away because someone sold them the geolocation and facial-recognition data being automatically collected by that "excellent" software. OK, sure, that's a dramatic example, but the same principle holds for plenty of other scenarios involving employers, insurance rates, etc.

Are you an illegal alien? Or why are you concerned about ICE dragging you away?

Because ICE has been known to drag away U. S. citizens? C’mon, man, pick up a newspaper.

Re: An Ode to the Return of Wysiwyg

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Post by wahern »

mempko wrote: post #14
bluedino wrote: post #5

No mention of Geocities?!

Read it again.

You mean, rewrite the prompt: "Please summarize the article again, but this time identify and explain any references to Geocities".

P.S. I don't mean to assume the previous commenter used ML to summarize, but it just occurred to me some people probably are, and missing details like that is probably common, more common than missing a reference the classic way, otherwise it wouldn't be a summary. At the same time, they may consider themselves to have read the article.

Re: An Ode to the Return of Wysiwyg

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Post by WalterBright »

mikestew wrote: post #27
what wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you an illegal alien? Or why are you concerned about ICE dragging you away?

Because ICE has been known to drag away U. S. citizens? C’mon, man, pick up a newspaper.

Our justice system has been known to convict innocent people, too.

Re: An Ode to the Return of Wysiwyg

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Post by fainpul »

layer8 wrote: post #13
pimlottc wrote: post #9

WYSIWYG is a concept that pre-dates the web and what this article is talking about is not the same thing. WYSIWYG was coined as a term to describe word processing and desktop publishing software where the appearance of your text matched the final printed output; the same fonts, weights, sizes, styles, etc. That's it. It's something we mostly take for granted today but was a real advancement over earlier, often text-b…

The term was later also extended to things like visual GUI builders, where the appearance in the editing interface matches the appearance of the final GUI (e.g. the Visual Basic form editor). This specific WYSIWYG variation mostly hasn't returned, unfortunately.

For example Netscape Composer:

https://www.html-seminar.de/seiten-ueber-composer.htm

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