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How London cracked mobile phone coverage on the Underground

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Re: How London cracked mobile phone coverage on the Underground

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Why is your need for silence more important than other people's need to communicate?

Neither of those things are needs, it’s just wants and preferring your own wants over others is completely normal. Imagine trying to live your life where other people’s desires by default overrode you own.

Imagine trying to live your life where other people’s desires by default overrode you own.

Unfortunately that happens a lot; it's called the government.

Re: How London cracked mobile phone coverage on the Underground

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Pretty neat but as someone who commutes every day on the New York subway I hope it’s never “cracked” here. Phone usage without headphones is already annoying enough and I greatly appreciate the various people trying to take calls eventually lose service.

Why is your need for silence more important than other people's need to communicate?

It's actually against byelaws to play music or other loud sounds on transport in London and they can prosecute you if they so wished...

It's about acknowledging it's a shared resource and respecting the space. No loud noises, no littering, no being drunk etc

These days people act like they're the only ones travelling

Re: How London cracked mobile phone coverage on the Underground

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Pretty neat but as someone who commutes every day on the New York subway I hope it’s never “cracked” here. Phone usage without headphones is already annoying enough and I greatly appreciate the various people trying to take calls eventually lose service.

Not to excuse other people's behavior but buying a decent pair of noise canceling headphones or earbuds will make putting up with it a whole lot easier. You don't even have to listen to anything, or you can put rain noises and thunderstorms. It's as much better soundscape than public transport.

That also creates a problem that people then can not hear important announcements or be aware of dangers (such as knife wielding attackers, as happened on an LNER train just late last year)

Re: How London cracked mobile phone coverage on the Underground

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Pretty neat but as someone who commutes every day on the New York subway I hope it’s never “cracked” here. Phone usage without headphones is already annoying enough and I greatly appreciate the various people trying to take calls eventually lose service.

Why is your need for silence more important than other people's need to communicate?

You do understand that one of those “needs”affects others around you, and one of them leaves them in peace, right? Also I’m sure parent wasn’t referring to emergency calls

Re: How London cracked mobile phone coverage on the Underground

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Pretty neat but as someone who commutes every day on the New York subway I hope it’s never “cracked” here. Phone usage without headphones is already annoying enough and I greatly appreciate the various people trying to take calls eventually lose service.

Who still calls anyway? Literally all my friends exclusively message now (on WhatsApp).

It would be really annoying if I were out of touch for the whole duration of subway trips. But in my city it works great. Here the 3 main providers pooled together and shared the installation.

Re: How London cracked mobile phone coverage on the Underground

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As a resident with a phone problem I miss the underground not having any signal. Other people using TikTok doesn’t bother me so much because it’s relatively rare. My own tendencies with screen time bother me more. No internet actually forced me to read books more and I miss that.

But this is a lot better for tourists who need the internet to navigate underground. So I’m pleased for them.

Re: How London cracked mobile phone coverage on the Underground

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to excuse other people's behavior but buying a decent pair of noise canceling headphones or earbuds will make putting up with it a whole lot easier. You don't even have to listen to anything, or you can put rain noises and thunderstorms. It's as much better soundscape than public transport.

That also creates a problem that people then can not hear important announcements or be aware of dangers (such as knife wielding attackers, as happened on an LNER train just late last year)

You can still hear those things, just not obnoxiously loudly. NC works best against static sounds. Speech still makes it through. Just not as loud.

If you're in a busy car enough people will hear it to be aware, and if you're on your own you will hear the announcement clearly.

Besides it's really a one in 10 million chance you'll get stabbed on the metro, not worth worrying about. The chance of getting hit by a car in traffic is much higher. That feeling of always being in some kind of danger seems to be very American, I never really see that in people here in Europe. I think it's the sensationalism in the press there, every little incident is blown up to massive "BREAKING NEWS!" proportions.

Re: How London cracked mobile phone coverage on the Underground

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither of those things are needs, it’s just wants and preferring your own wants over others is completely normal. Imagine trying to live your life where other people’s desires by default overrode you own.

Imagine trying to live your life where other people’s desires by default overrode you own. Unfortunately that happens a lot; it's called the government.

Collective vs individuals desires

Re: How London cracked mobile phone coverage on the Underground

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I wonder if they considered using the existing metal tracks as antennae, or even https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication to feed base stations in the trains themselves.

So the ESN in the tunnels runs at 400 MHz, far lower than the 700 to 3,600 MHz range usually used by smartphones.

It's worth noting that 450MHz was listed as one of the GSM bands, but apparently was never used: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands#GSM-450

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