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Re: We're all just content for ICE

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Post by woggy »

zahlman wrote: post #15

This has already been flagged and killed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46595868 It's interesting to me that submissions like this routinely get a dozen or so upvotes very quickly, on what is transparently a very politically inciting headline promising a contentious political editorial.

What's interesting to me is how little this whole situation is being talked about here. Not a single topic on the front page while ICE agents are routinely pulling people (including US citizens) out of cars, breaking into houses and shooting people on the street.

Re: We're all just content for ICE

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Post by zahlman »

woggy wrote: post #21
zahlman wrote: post #15

This has already been flagged and killed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46595868 It's interesting to me that submissions like this routinely get a dozen or so upvotes very quickly, on what is transparently a very politically inciting headline promising a contentious political editorial.

What's interesting to me is how little this whole situation is being talked about here. Not a single topic on the front page while ICE agents are routinely pulling people (including US citizens) out of cars, breaking into houses and shooting people on the street.

It's talked about plenty. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46547612 from just the other day got nearly 400 upvotes and 200 comments.

"including US citizens" is weasel wording here. ICE operates on reasonable suspicion, as they are legally entitled to do. Furthermore, they are federal LEO, and as such may arrest people they know to be US citizens if those citizens commit federal crimes.

This is all quite clear in the law, and even reported by left-wing sources in the same breath that they claim the footage contradicts things that I (from watching it myself) believe it reasonably supports (subjective rhetoric aside). In particular, the victim in the recent case was "blocking the path of an officer’s vehicle", which the SF Chronicle explicitly calls out as valid cause for such an arrest.

LEOs tend to shoot at those who resist arrest in a manner that endangers their lives. That endangerment is not required to be itself an attempt at murder.

The other thing I find interesting is that the officers were not masked in this case, contra the usual narrative.

Re: We're all just content for ICE

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Post by billy99k »

woggy wrote: post #21
zahlman wrote: post #15

This has already been flagged and killed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46595868 It's interesting to me that submissions like this routinely get a dozen or so upvotes very quickly, on what is transparently a very politically inciting headline promising a contentious political editorial.

What's interesting to me is how little this whole situation is being talked about here. Not a single topic on the front page while ICE agents are routinely pulling people (including US citizens) out of cars, breaking into houses and shooting people on the street.

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Re: We're all just content for ICE

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Post by tastyface »

zahlman wrote: post #20
jacobthesnakob wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I mean, I’m still a real person. I’d love to post about my latest software widget or technical article like in the before times, but admittedly I’ve got other things on my mind these days. Like: as a resident of a Blue sanctuary city, what choice words I’m going to use with ICE if they come to break down my door. How much I should bite my tongue on social media as a naturalized immigrant. Fun stuff like that.

No great loss if I get kicked off the site, but for what it’s worth, my karma is net positive so far. I guess there are still enough others here who are apoplectically furious at our rapidly degenerating society.

And lest we forget: hacking is intrinsically a political act, anti-authoritarian by nature, though I understand that there are scant few actual hackers here these days.

Re: We're all just content for ICE

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Post by computerthings »

woggy wrote: post #21
zahlman wrote: post #15

This has already been flagged and killed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46595868 It's interesting to me that submissions like this routinely get a dozen or so upvotes very quickly, on what is transparently a very politically inciting headline promising a contentious political editorial.

What's interesting to me is how little this whole situation is being talked about here. Not a single topic on the front page while ICE agents are routinely pulling people (including US citizens) out of cars, breaking into houses and shooting people on the street.

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Re: We're all just content for ICE

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Post by zahlman »

clipsy wrote: post #25
zahlman wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Here's some of the video, as part of a wider analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDda-L_ZOE8&t=5m56s

At 6:55 (in slow motion) we see the officer in front of the car, recording with his own phone.

7:01, the car moves forward and the wheel can clearly be seen to spin as the car struggles to gain traction. There is a clear attempt to accelerate sharply.

7:23, some explanation: "As you can see, the officer has his gun out, the tires are still pointed directly at the officer, and the car is moving forward.... the officer is struck by the vehicle, which you cannot see from this angle." (But if you take the full speed video frame by frame, around 6:38 you can clearly see for multiple frames that the officer is taken off balance and takes a while to recover.

Then there's more footage from in front of the car. At 7:53 you can see the impact plain as day. That's a CNN analyst saying: "Well, the slowed-down version is showing me that when the SUV pulls forward, they make contact with the agent in the street, and then immediately following that contact, you hear three gunshots follow." (Sound sync is an issue with video like this and it makes far more sense to me that the shots are concurrent with, or immediately before impact. They cannot feasibly be any kind of revenge for being hit because it would be utterly impossible to aim.) "Contact" is an understatement given the video; you can clearly see that the officer is leaning considerably forward over the hood of the SUV as a direct consequence of the impact.

All of this is also corroborated by the officer's own cell phone footage, wherein he completely loses control of the camera as a consequence.

Re: We're all just content for ICE

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Post by mindslight »

zahlman wrote: post #22
pixelpoet wrote: post #17

Massive influx of green accounts to "correct" wrongthink in 3... 2... It's been so extreme lately.

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You can't start at the point where ICE had already needlessly and unlawfully performed multiple escalations. You have to look at the entire situation, where those escalations were clear retaliation for the victim exercising her Constitutionally-protected right to protest.

The officer "in front" of the car had previously fucked around and found out about moving vehicles. He was positioned just off the quarter panel, which we can only assume was highly deliberate after the last incident - enough room to not get hit, but close enough to have a pretext to murder this woman.

Regardless of how courts may judge legality (if they're even allowed to), this incident demonstrates a callous disregard for human life that is unacceptable for anybody who carries a gun, never mind supposed public servants.

Re: We're all just content for ICE

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Post by [deleted] »

zahlman wrote: post #28
clipsy wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Here's some of the video, as part of a wider analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDda-L_ZOE8&t=5m56s At 6:55 (in slow motion) we see the officer in front of the car, recording with his own phone. 7:01, the car moves forward and the wheel can clearly be seen to spin as the car struggles to gain traction. There is a clear attempt to accelerate sharply. 7:23, some explanation: "As you can see, the officer has his…

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