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Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by hsaliak »

mystraline wrote: post #9
akomtu wrote: post #3

AI is built by violating all rules and moral codes. Now they want rules and moral code to protect them.

You're just now learning about corporate capitalism? Its always been socialize the losses, and capitalize the gains. And all the while, legislating rules to block upstart companies. Its never ever been "fair". He who has the most gold makes the rules.

Does it follow then, that we should socialize our losses and ignore their TOS? It looks like yet again - fortune favors those who ask forgiveness later.

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by nerdponx »

mystraline wrote: post #9
akomtu wrote: post #3

AI is built by violating all rules and moral codes. Now they want rules and moral code to protect them.

You're just now learning about corporate capitalism? Its always been socialize the losses, and capitalize the gains. And all the while, legislating rules to block upstart companies. Its never ever been "fair". He who has the most gold makes the rules.

This is extra ridiculous even for "capitalism".

It would be like if Carnegie Steel somehow could have prohibited people from buying their steel in order to build a steel mill.

And moreover in this case the entire industry as it exists today wouldn't exist without massive copyright infringement, so it's double-extra ironic because Anthropic came into existence in order to make money off of breaking other people's rules, and now they want to set up their own rules.

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by zzzeek »

ctoth wrote: post #11

I was all set to be pissed off, "you can't tell me what I can make with your product once you've sold it to me!" but no... This outrage bait hinges on the definition of "use" You can use Claude Code to write code to make a competitor for Claude Code. What you cannot do is reverse engineer the way the Claude Code harness uses the API to build your own version that taps into stuff like the max plan. Which? makes sense?…

not really. Here's their own product clarifying:

Based on the terms, Section 3, subsection 2 prohibits using Claude/Anthropic's Services:

  "To develop any products or services that compete with our Services, including to develop or train any artificial intelligence or machine learning algorithms or models or resell the Services."

  Clarification:

  This restriction is specifically about competitive use - you cannot use Claude to build products that compete with Anthropic's offerings.

  What IS prohibited:
  - Using Claude to develop a competing AI assistant or chatbot service
  - Training models that would directly compete with Claude's capabilities
  - Building a product that would be a substitute for Anthropic's services

  What is NOT prohibited:
  - General ML/AI development for your own applications (computer vision, recommendation systems, fraud detection, etc.)
  - Using Claude as a coding assistant for ML projects
  - Training domain-specific models for your business needs
  - Research and educational ML work
  - Any ML development that doesn't create a competing AI service

  In short: I can absolutely help you develop and train ML models for legitimate use cases. The restriction only applies if you're trying to build something that would compete directly with Claude/Anthropic's core business.
So you can't use Claude to build your own chatbot that does anything remotely like Claude, which would be, basically any LLM chatbot.

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by narmiouh »

I wonder how will this affect future Anthropic products, if prior art/products exist that have already been built using claude.

If this is to only limit knowledge distillation for training new models or people Copying claude code specifically or preventing max plan creds used as API replacement, they could properly carve exceptions rather than being too broad which risks turning away new customers for fear of (future) conflict

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by [deleted] »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #13

https://xcancel.com/SIGKITTEN/status/2009697031422652461 This tweet reads as nonsense to me It's quoting: > This is why the supported way to use Claude in your own tools is via the API. We genuinely want people building on Claude, including other coding agents and harnesses, and we know developers have broad preferences for different tool ergonomics. If you're a maintainer of a third-party tool and want to chat about…

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Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by davorak »

zzzeek wrote: post #23
ctoth wrote: post #11

I was all set to be pissed off, "you can't tell me what I can make with your product once you've sold it to me!" but no... This outrage bait hinges on the definition of "use" You can use Claude Code to write code to make a competitor for Claude Code. What you cannot do is reverse engineer the way the Claude Code harness uses the API to build your own version that taps into stuff like the max plan. Which? makes sense?…

not really. Here's their own product clarifying: Based on the terms, Section 3, subsection 2 prohibits using Claude/Anthropic's Services: "To develop any products or services that compete with our Services, including to develop or train any artificial intelligence or machine learning algorithms or models or resell the Services." Clarification: This restriction is specifically about competitive use - you cannot use Cl…

> This restriction is specifically about competitive use - you cannot use Claude to build products that compete with Anthropic's offerings.

I am not a lawyer, regardless of the list of examples below(I have been told examples in contracts and TOS are a mixed bag for enforceability), this text says that if anthropic decides to make a product like yours you have to stop using Claude for that product.

That is a pretty powerful argument against depending heavily on or solely on Claude.

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by Fazebooking »

starkeeper wrote: post #5

[flagged]

Thats why you don't use it with IP and trade secrets OR have a lawyer looking over it.

I work for a very big company, very big companies trust other very big companies. After all we are not google, so we work with Microsoft and others.

Nothing new hear tbh

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by rglullis »

falloutx wrote: post #12

Opencode is much better anyway and it doesnt change its workflow every couple weeks.

I signed up to Claude Pro when I figured out I could use it on opencode, so I could start things on Sonnet/Opus on plan mode and switch to cheaper models on build mode. Now that I can't do that, I will probably just cancel my subscription and do the dance between different hosted providers during plan phase and ask for a prompt to feed into opencode afterwards.
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