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Tesla's Germany Sales Down 72% from Their Peak

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Re: Tesla's Germany Sales Down 72% from Their Peak

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And this is with the Chinese cars handicapped by a double-digit punitive tariff ( https://trade.ec.europa.eu/access-to-markets/en/news/eu-comm... )

Arguably, China is subsidizing everything with a low currency, though. It may cancel out (or maybe more than cancel out) those tariffs.

And the US has a yearly deficit of what, 2 trillion?

Glass stone houses etc etc.

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Electric cars in general don’t really make much sense in Germany. Most people live in apartments without access to personal chargers, combined with high electricity cost you end up not even saving money for the inconvenience.

Germany has high gasoline cost. If what Google tells me is correct about current costs per kWh to charge at Tesla Superchargers there (0.40-0.70 Euro) and current gas prices there (1.70 Euro/liter) an EV charged at Superchargers would have about the same energy costs as an ICE car that gets 16 km/l if you charge at the more expensive Supercharges and an ICE car that gets 28 km/l if you charge at the less expensive Su…

Offpeak Supercharger use has even been reduced to around 25c in some places. I don’t think there’s one that costs 70c for members (I.e. Tesla owners or people paying 10€ per month).

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I wonder if it’s still too soon for a company CEO to throw up a Nazi salute or two during an internationally televised event. yep, still too soon. Hopefully it always will be.

And that sales would plummet in a country that had problems previously with people who gave Nazi salutes, who would have thought it?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're declining worldwide and since Musk got the climate change denier elected who did away with CAFE credits at the end of Q3, Tesla is now also no longer a profitable company.

> Tesla is now also no longer a profitable company We won’t know this until the end of January [1]. (Tesla turned a $1.4bn profit in Q3.) [1] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/prediction-elon-musk-reveal-t...

For the last few quarters, Tesla was only profitable due to their selling CAFE credits. With those gone and their sales declining, it's all but certain that Tesla will post a loss for Q4, unless they resort to some very creative accounting tricks.

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Electric cars in general don’t really make much sense in Germany. Most people live in apartments without access to personal chargers, combined with high electricity cost you end up not even saving money for the inconvenience.

Germany has high gasoline cost. If what Google tells me is correct about current costs per kWh to charge at Tesla Superchargers there (0.40-0.70 Euro) and current gas prices there (1.70 Euro/liter) an EV charged at Superchargers would have about the same energy costs as an ICE car that gets 16 km/l if you charge at the more expensive Supercharges and an ICE car that gets 28 km/l if you charge at the less expensive Su…

> Superchargers would have about the same energy costs as an ICE car that gets 16 km/l if you charge at the more expensive Supercharges and an ICE car that gets 28 km/l if you charge at the less expensive Superchargers.

And this is main problem. The thing is that most of people does not drive some big gas guzzling trucks like in USA, but hatchbacks like VW Golf which can run from 5l~8l/100km (20km/l ~ 12,5km/l) so it is very competitive with superchargers + it is much faster and more convenient than electric charger. There is nothing better than figuring out why my car does not want to talk to this charger when there is -5 deg C outside and I am losing touch in my fingerprints.

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At what point does Tesla have to sell or shutter production?

Since they ship globally, never. At least not if it‘s ONLY Germany who‘s declining.

It's not only Germany. One would wonder, at least, about the viability of their European production.

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Electric cars in general don’t really make much sense in Germany. Most people live in apartments without access to personal chargers, combined with high electricity cost you end up not even saving money for the inconvenience.

These arguments make no sense at all.

- Solar power is already starting to make so much surplus during the days, and it needs battery power to store. Cars are an ideal object to use surplus energy. Cost will continue to sink.

- Creating additional charging infrastructure costs very little, because power lines are available everywhere. Fuel stations might be currently broader available, but even maintenance on fuel stations is likely more expensive than building new charging infrastructure. If more electric cars are available, more charging infrastructure will be built.

- Europe has very little oil / fuel reserves and is heavily dependent on other countries. As we have seen in recent years this is a major long term problem.

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Electric cars in general don’t really make much sense in Germany. Most people live in apartments without access to personal chargers, combined with high electricity cost you end up not even saving money for the inconvenience.

Germany has high gasoline cost. If what Google tells me is correct about current costs per kWh to charge at Tesla Superchargers there (0.40-0.70 Euro) and current gas prices there (1.70 Euro/liter) an EV charged at Superchargers would have about the same energy costs as an ICE car that gets 16 km/l if you charge at the more expensive Supercharges and an ICE car that gets 28 km/l if you charge at the less expensive Su…

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Re: Tesla's Germany Sales Down 72% from Their Peak

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Electric cars in general don’t really make much sense in Germany. Most people live in apartments without access to personal chargers, combined with high electricity cost you end up not even saving money for the inconvenience.

These arguments make no sense at all. - Solar power is already starting to make so much surplus during the days, and it needs battery power to store. Cars are an ideal object to use surplus energy. Cost will continue to sink. - Creating additional charging infrastructure costs very little, because power lines are available everywhere. Fuel stations might be currently broader available, but even maintenance on fuel st…

It doesn’t make sense to base your car purchase on hypotheticals like this. As it stands right now, costs plus infrastructure make electric cars less desirable to own, and that’s why if you drive around Germany, you’ll notice the vast majority of cars are diesel hatchbacks.
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