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New information extracted from Snowden PDFs through metadata version analysis

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Re: New information extracted from Snowden PDFs through metadata version analysis

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>It is of course very telling that Snowden ended up in Russia. Yeah it's almost like you can revoke someone's passport during their layover in Russia and make the people with MAGA-levels of intelligence take the optics at face value through decade long repeated messaging. If Snowden was a Russian spy, he would've taken the files, given them to Putin, received the largest Datša in the country and we would never have h…

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This is insightful work, great job. Recently someone else revisited the Snowden documents and also found more info, but I can't recall the exact details. Snowden and the archives were absolute gifts to us all. It's a shame he didn't release everything in full though.

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Wow the Reddit bots made it to HN. We must be famous now.

Re: New information extracted from Snowden PDFs through metadata version analysis

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This is insightful work, great job. Recently someone else revisited the Snowden documents and also found more info, but I can't recall the exact details. Snowden and the archives were absolute gifts to us all. It's a shame he didn't release everything in full though.

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Snowden never had Russia as a destination, the US revoked his passport while he was waiting in a layover. He was stuck in the airport for months. How is it "telling" of anything?

Re: New information extracted from Snowden PDFs through metadata version analysis

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Can someone spell out how this is possible? Do pdfs store a complete document version history? Do they store diffs in the metadata? Does this happen each time the document is edited?

You can replace objects in PDF documents. A PDF is mostly just a bunch of objects of different types so the readers know what to do with them. Each object has a numbered ID. I recommend mutool for decompressing the PDF so you can read it in a text editor: mutool clean -d in.pdf out.pdf If you look below you can see a Pages list (1 0 obj) that references (2 0 R) a Page (2 0 obj). 1 0 obj > endobj 2 0 obj > endobj Rath…

Thanks for the technical explanation! This is pretty fascinating.

So it works kind of like a soft delete — dereference instead of scrubbing the bits.

Is this behavior generally explicitly defined in PDF editors (i.e. an intended feature)? Is it defined in some standard or set of best practices? Or is it a hack (or half baked feature) someone implemented years ago that has just kind of stuck around and propagated?

Re: New information extracted from Snowden PDFs through metadata version analysis

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This is insightful work, great job. Recently someone else revisited the Snowden documents and also found more info, but I can't recall the exact details. Snowden and the archives were absolute gifts to us all. It's a shame he didn't release everything in full though.

Thank you. The most recent completely new information from the Snowden files is found in Jacob Appelbaum's 2022 thesis[1], in which he revealed information that had not been previously public (not found on any previously published documents and so on). And AFAIK, the most recent new information from the published documents (along with this post) might actually be in our other posts[2], but there might be some others we aren't aware of.

[1]: https://www.electrospaces.net/2023/09/some-new-snippets-from...

[2]: Part 2: https://libroot.org/posts/going-through-snowden-documents-pa...

and part 3: https://libroot.org/posts/going-through-snowden-documents-pa...

Re: New information extracted from Snowden PDFs through metadata version analysis

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This is insightful work, great job. Recently someone else revisited the Snowden documents and also found more info, but I can't recall the exact details. Snowden and the archives were absolute gifts to us all. It's a shame he didn't release everything in full though.

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Your comment is indeed very telling. He ended up in Russia because the U.S. revoked his visa while en route to Ecuador so he was forced to live in a Russian airport for 6 weeks.

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>It is of course very telling that Snowden ended up in Russia. Yeah it's almost like you can revoke someone's passport during their layover in Russia and make the people with MAGA-levels of intelligence take the optics at face value through decade long repeated messaging. If Snowden was a Russian spy, he would've taken the files, given them to Putin, received the largest Datša in the country and we would never have h…

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You're changing the subject from how you misrepresented why Snowden ended up in Russia.

I won't engage further with someone acting in bad faith.

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Your comment is indeed very telling. He ended up in Russia because the U.S. revoked his visa while en route to Ecuador so he was forced to live in a Russian airport for 6 weeks.

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The best way to fix a problem is to bring it into the light, not pretend it doesn't exist. "Security by obscurity" has been debunked for decades. If our system is so flawed Snowden's leaks would have blown everything up, maybe the system deserves to be blown up. Otherwise we're just papering over flaws which likely will be discovered and exploited eventually.

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Are you thinking of Julian Assange? I'm not aware of Edward Snowden releasing anything that might have resulted in the deaths of field agents.
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