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Woman in Minnesota fatally shot by ICE agent during raid, video shows

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Re: Woman in Minnesota fatally shot by ICE agent during raid, video shows

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If I where the officer in front of a reving car my instinct would be to move out of the way, not pull my gun and fire at the driver.

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You are wrong on several points. It is policy not to shoot a car like that even if it is driving at the officer (which this vehicle was not doing and can clearly be seen from multiple camera angles). Shooting the driver will not stop the car, it will just kill the driver.

Re: Woman in Minnesota fatally shot by ICE agent during raid, video shows

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Police were shouting contradictory instructions at her, including to move her car. Her car had hardly starting to move when the cop walked around the front of the car and leaned in the window to shoot her in the face. Her corpse’s foot was on the gas, so the car then accelerated, crashing further down the road. That cop looks like a murderer to me from the footage. Hopefully, he will face accountability in a fair tri…

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You can now see a very clear picture of exactly where that cop was standing with respect to the car as he drew his gun on the front page of the New York Times. He was not in the path of the car. And there was no reason for him to walk up and shoot her. The safe thing to do in that situation would have been to let her drive off. If they had wanted to arrest her, they could have used her license plate to find her later.

Re: Woman in Minnesota fatally shot by ICE agent during raid, video shows

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You are wrong on several points. It is policy not to shoot a car like that even if it is driving at the officer (which this vehicle was not doing and can clearly be seen from multiple camera angles). Shooting the driver will not stop the car, it will just kill the driver.

And in this case, shooting her made the situation much more dangerous. It caused her dead foot to stomp the gas pedal, dangerously accelerating the car uncontrollably until it crashed on the side of the road.

Re: Woman in Minnesota fatally shot by ICE agent during raid, video shows

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I where the officer in front of a reving car my instinct would be to move out of the way, not pull my gun and fire at the driver.

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An officer yes, the person you're replying to, no.

Minnesota is a duty to retreat state (in public).

Some animals are more equal than others.

Re: Woman in Minnesota fatally shot by ICE agent during raid, video shows

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Use of gun should be the last resort. Can you imagine to shoot somebody like that?

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The guy who was involved in an identical incident a couple of months ago? Standing in front of a car in a tense situation against all logic and procedure, again?

It's surely "last resort" just as it's "last resort" for me to pull out a gun as a "last resort" in a fight I caused.

Either he is severely mentally incapable or he was looking for a reason to murder someone. The good ol' shoulder bump in the dancefloor.

What's crazier is that a clear swerve to drive away is being sold as an attack, and worse, it justifying 4 point blank shots to the face.

Re: Woman in Minnesota fatally shot by ICE agent during raid, video shows

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An officer yes, the person you're replying to, no. Minnesota is a duty to retreat state (in public). Some animals are more equal than others.

IANAL but I imagine that does not apply to traffic stop.

Re: Woman in Minnesota fatally shot by ICE agent during raid, video shows

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An officer yes, the person you're replying to, no. Minnesota is a duty to retreat state (in public). Some animals are more equal than others.

IANAL but I imagine that does not apply to traffic stop.

To be clear, I was saying it applies to "an officer." But not a civilian like you or I, since MN is a rare state with duty to retreat.

Presumably a traffic stop is always performed by an officer.

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