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Re: Not for human consumption

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Post by NedF »

cogman10 wrote: post #15
m_a_g wrote: post #7

I’m glad there are this many early adopters. Thanks to them, in 3 to 5 years, all the side effects will be known, including the long-term effects, so I’ll be able to make an informed decision with the support of doctors rather than Claude. I’ll have access to regulated official compounds rather than underground lab compounds that can kill many people with one faulty batch. Please, continue doing what you’re doing, fo…

> all the side effects will be known I wish there were some good that came out of this. But these are completely unusable results. It's uncontrolled and not being studied. Did their testicles fall off because of LLM drug 32, drug 34, drug 2, or a combination of all the drugs they took at the same time? Or maybe it's a combination of their genetic makeup and drug 4. It'd be like trying to glean any useful medical info…

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Re: Not for human consumption

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Post by rootsudo »

coffeebeqn wrote: post #13
rootsudo wrote: post #12

The community in question is https://x.com/frontiertower/status/1938258376913195251 . This is nothing new. Numerous “scenes” do the same. There’s the longevity scene connected to this one. There’s the psychonaut scene. That’s a bit from the erowid/and misc scene of the early 2010s. There’s the bodybuilding / gym scene which probably is the longest and oldest subset of members. I’m not sure which niche communities I’m…

Maybe I’ve been gone from SF for too long but this just sounds like a cult. With a LLM generated pitch

It’s natural for these type of communities. It’s not really a cult in the traditional sense, there is enough evidence that some medication/chemicals are gatekeeped they are effective while there’s just enough evidence to prove how dangerous it can be.

It can be understood as hobby group that focuses on drugs instead of another topic. It’s a fine line between reckless and leading edge that most don’t follow imo but it’s a community with its own rules.

Re: Not for human consumption

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Post by cadamsdotcom »

Side-stepping regulatory process forgoes the benefit of a highly refined system for determining safety and efficacy, that is obvious - but it also forgoes seller liability. Which means you have no one to sue.

Also why risk permanently destroying yourself. We each only get one human mind and one human body - it’s irrational to do something with so much downside risk.

Re: Not for human consumption

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Post by TZubiri »

codeflo wrote: post #8

Am I misreading this, or is this person actually implying somewhere in the middle of this unreadable mess of an article that they feed their DIY blood test results into an LLM and then order whatever drugs the machine hallucinates in response? If so, I hope sane society doesn't have to pay for the consequences of this willful self-destruction.

I propose to delete this article from hackernews

Re: Not for human consumption

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Post by rubyfan »

SecondHandTofu wrote: post #11
Fiveplus wrote: post #6

People reading two abstracts on PubMed and deciding they can manage their own hormonal pathways is terrifying. The regulatory state is slow and bureaucratic, yes, and its got its own problems, but it was built on a graveyard of people who took unverified compounds. When (not if) a bad batch kills a few dozen people in a telegram buying group, the crackdown will be draconian.

An alternate way to view the same situation is that the regulatory state being slow and bureaucratic is the cause of those ills. The more you over-regulate and make the official pathways too expensive by adding a million tiny costs, the less unreasonable it seems to abandon the official channel entirely.

Yes and the fact that you have people looking for a cure to their ills will always draw unscrupulous parties to their money. The entire supplements industry is sort of a prototype for this with outrageous marketing often targeting vulnerable groups. I’d argue the professional marketing of unregulated substances makes the supplements industry a lot larger than it might organically be.

Re: Not for human consumption

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Post by skywhopper »

Roark66 wrote: post #20
m_a_g wrote: post #7

I’m glad there are this many early adopters. Thanks to them, in 3 to 5 years, all the side effects will be known, including the long-term effects, so I’ll be able to make an informed decision with the support of doctors rather than Claude. I’ll have access to regulated official compounds rather than underground lab compounds that can kill many people with one faulty batch. Please, continue doing what you’re doing, fo…

You know there are regulated labs you can send samples to and serious sellers (like the one I use) attach a testing certificate you can authenticate with the lab. So you know for sure what is it you're getting and what purity etc. On the actual efficacy and safety fair point. But we're all adults here (I hope). And as for "society's consequences" other people mention most of these compounds are taken is such tiny amo…

I’m concerned you are overestimating the value of the certificate of authenticity you’re getting from your supplier. While you may be right that the compounds you intend to take can’t possibly be all that harmful, there’s a good chance what you’re getting may not be what you think, may not be entirely what you think, and likely contains other things that may be harmful, particularly over a longer period of time.

Re: Not for human consumption

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Post by instagib »

xnx wrote: post #27

Related: ‘Chinese Peptides’ Are the Latest Biohacking Trend in the Tech World https://archive.is/Pu1y3

Maybe worth its own post since this one got flagged. It’s well written albeit scary.

[one day, she accidentally doubled her dose. “My hair started falling out after a month because I was malnourished,” Ms. Bowman said. “It made my heart rate go up 10 beats per minute at night.” Still, she plans to keep going.]

Re: Not for human consumption

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Post by xnx »

instagib wrote: post #29
xnx wrote: post #27

Related: ‘Chinese Peptides’ Are the Latest Biohacking Trend in the Tech World https://archive.is/Pu1y3

Maybe worth its own post since this one got flagged. It’s well written albeit scary. [one day, she accidentally doubled her dose. “My hair started falling out after a month because I was malnourished,” Ms. Bowman said. “It made my heart rate go up 10 beats per minute at night.” Still, she plans to keep going.]

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