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So where do we go from here? Venezuela doesn't have the capacity to strike back. I assume this triggers a civil war for power. Maduro is a dead man flying to his future grave.
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are you saying this as a local to the area or as an american living in america projecting your vision of "net good" lmao.
> as an american living in america projecting your vision of "net good" American living in America who knows Venzeulans in America, most of whom didn't want this. But. All of whom would want their country to democratise. Whether blowing up the capital and kidnapping their dictator causes that to happen is questionable. But Venezuela has cultural memory of democracy. (On the other hand, there seems to be zero effort–a…
Should have stopped there...
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> as an american living in america projecting your vision of "net good" American living in America who knows Venzeulans in America, most of whom didn't want this. But. All of whom would want their country to democratise. Whether blowing up the capital and kidnapping their dictator causes that to happen is questionable. But Venezuela has cultural memory of democracy. (On the other hand, there seems to be zero effort–a…
lol bro u realize if ur a minority in your flavor of democracy u still lose right? thats why they need entire campaigns to brainwash you on what's good for you on ur voter leaflets.
Where are you getting your information?
Boat nonsense aside, if Trump has actually pulled this off while mostly striking military targets, that's (a) impressive and (b) possibly–possibly!–worth celebrating. The caveat is what happens next. If a stable government emerges, that's okay. If a stable government emerges that holds free and fair elections, that's brilliant. If, on the other hand, the power vacuum prompts a civil war and refugee crisis because nob…
> mostly striking military targets You are ok with Trump invading a neighbour country, kidnapping a person while accepting some civilian casualties? I wonder what you would think if Canada would invade the USA and kidnapping Trump and other criminals. This strike was not sanctioned by Venezuela. They are sovereign and they have the right to deal with their affairs in their own way. The USA -- as so often in history -…
Nope. But I’m saying this could potentially turn out okay.
Probably not. We probably get a civil war or like Cuba moonshotting for nukes. But there are avenues from this point on where it could wind up okay. (I would not have expected we’d have nabbed Maduro so quickly twelve hours ago.)
> They violated international law
I mean, this is dead. China, Russia and America have explicitly called it dead. Iran, Israel, India and France, too. It’s basically Brussels and Brazil still respecting it, and neither is a military power.
So where do we go from here? Venezuela doesn't have the capacity to strike back. I assume this triggers a civil war for power. Maduro is a dead man flying to his future grave.
Maybe the Venezuelan government remains intact, and now we have the embarrassing situation of a sovereign country asking for its head of state back.
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lol bro u realize if ur a minority in your flavor of democracy u still lose right? thats why they need entire campaigns to brainwash you on what's good for you on ur voter leaflets.
> voter leaflets Where are you getting your information?
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> Are you sure your government is attacking because of free elections? Never said that. I said this could wind up being net good if that's the outcome. Doesn't make the way we would have gotten there okay. And it doesn't mean that was a primary or even proximate goal for the people who called the shots.
are you saying this as a local to the area or as an american living in america projecting your vision of "net good" lmao.
Boat nonsense aside, if Trump has actually pulled this off while mostly striking military targets, that's (a) impressive and (b) possibly–possibly!–worth celebrating. The caveat is what happens next. If a stable government emerges, that's okay. If a stable government emerges that holds free and fair elections, that's brilliant. If, on the other hand, the power vacuum prompts a civil war and refugee crisis because nob…
Doesn't the president require a Congress approval for this sort of military action?
Unitary executive theory = plenary powers, e.g., they're a king in all but name surrounded by political loyalists with their hands on every lever of power that matters.