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Binance's Trust Wallet extension hacked; users lose $7M

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Re: Binance's Trust Wallet extension hacked; users lose $7M

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I love the concept of cryptocoins. But in practice, there are some enormous hazards that make it not worthwhile IMO. This is just one such hazard, but by now we've seen several flavors of "this custody/storage mechanism failed to securely store some wealth." If securing it yourself, it's so easy to mishandle and either destroy your wealth or have it stolen. If delegating it to an "expert" you risk the custodial agent…

Sort of a double edged sword there. A big part of the appeal of crypto money is that there is no "centralized daddy." The upside is that your property can't be confiscated by "centralized daddy." The downside is you can lose your keys. People who do not understand that trade-off have no business buying crypto.

> The upside is that your property can't be confiscated by "centralized daddy."

Really? Most crypto is not anonymous, it is at best pseudonymous. If a big enough government agency wants your crypto, they will get it.

Re: Binance's Trust Wallet extension hacked; users lose $7M

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As anti-crypto as I am, it’s worth pointing out that users aren’t out a penny - binance will reimburse them

> Binance founder Changpeng Zhao — who supposedly has no managerial role at Binance after he and the company were criminally charged in the US — announced that Binance would reimburse users who lost funds.

100% sure about this? How?

Re: Binance's Trust Wallet extension hacked; users lose $7M

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post #5

I love the concept of cryptocoins. But in practice, there are some enormous hazards that make it not worthwhile IMO. This is just one such hazard, but by now we've seen several flavors of "this custody/storage mechanism failed to securely store some wealth." If securing it yourself, it's so easy to mishandle and either destroy your wealth or have it stolen. If delegating it to an "expert" you risk the custodial agent…

> Having a government-insured bank deposit means that I've never had to think about this in my lifetime

I think "in my lifetime" is the key here. Probably banks weren't as foolproof initially as they are today, and was a bit wild west too in the beginning.

With that said, I do think cryptocurrencies are still in a "exploring" phase and it's been way oversold on what it could help solve, especially by people who are looking to make a quick buck. Which is a shame, because the technology itself does have useful applications.

Re: Binance's Trust Wallet extension hacked; users lose $7M

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sort of a double edged sword there. A big part of the appeal of crypto money is that there is no "centralized daddy." The upside is that your property can't be confiscated by "centralized daddy." The downside is you can lose your keys. People who do not understand that trade-off have no business buying crypto.

> The upside is that your property can't be confiscated by "centralized daddy." Really? Most crypto is not anonymous, it is at best pseudonymous. If a big enough government agency wants your crypto, they will get it.

Yes, and a motivated man with a heavy wrench could take it too. That doesn't mean that permissionless currency isn't valuable. It just means that my threats have been reduced from nanny took my money and man with wrench to just man with wrench.

Re: Binance's Trust Wallet extension hacked; users lose $7M

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Having a government-insured bank deposit means that I've never had to think about this in my lifetime. It's a problem that I don't need. Government-insured bank deposits are mostly BS, the fine prints say they have about 10 years to reimburse you and in case of a systemic failure good luck. In case the bank app, their "system" or your computer is compromised most banks will not reimburse you. It is very easy for th…

even if that's the case re: government insured banks.... Maybe it feels more secure because there is someone to hold accountable if/when it all falls apart. People can show up in DC with pitch forks and vent their frustration; good luck tracking the stateless billionaires behind a company like Binance through Micronesia/the Caribbean/Seychelles/whatever island paradise they stashed their cash on.

That is exactly why you don't give those stateless billionaires your keys.

Not your keys, not your money. Crypto that requires trust is not crypto.

Re: Binance's Trust Wallet extension hacked; users lose $7M

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I was solicited by an intermediary of CZ out of I believe the UK with a whatsup number from some Chinese lady (based on name) just before trump was elected ... now I knew trump and crypto are perfect for each other ... but obviously never responded. If you're in crypto you're still always hours away from a scam and two weeks away from a knock on your door at 4am from law enforcement once again when trump is out. Wow! talk about radioactive skank on parade...

Re: Binance's Trust Wallet extension hacked; users lose $7M

#29
post #5

I love the concept of cryptocoins. But in practice, there are some enormous hazards that make it not worthwhile IMO. This is just one such hazard, but by now we've seen several flavors of "this custody/storage mechanism failed to securely store some wealth." If securing it yourself, it's so easy to mishandle and either destroy your wealth or have it stolen. If delegating it to an "expert" you risk the custodial agent…

I believe cryptocurrencies are an in-vitro experiment on free market ideologies and that's why people are so split on them. I think of them as primarily an ideological technology, designed to establish the primacy of free market capitalism over any sovereign law. I think that is why people still hold onto them, despite nothing but scams coming out of them so far. As somebody who doesn't think unrestrained free market…

>despite nothing but scams coming out of them so far.

Well that's simply not true. Next year, it'll have been 15 years since I first bought LSD on Silk Road using bitcoin.

Re: Binance's Trust Wallet extension hacked; users lose $7M

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sort of a double edged sword there. A big part of the appeal of crypto money is that there is no "centralized daddy." The upside is that your property can't be confiscated by "centralized daddy." The downside is you can lose your keys. People who do not understand that trade-off have no business buying crypto.

> The upside is that your property can't be confiscated by "centralized daddy." Really? Most crypto is not anonymous, it is at best pseudonymous. If a big enough government agency wants your crypto, they will get it.

It can be totally anonymous if you can use a non-KYC exchange way of acquiring it. And then again, you can buy monero or zcash, then buy bitcoin again. I could start up a new open source wallet on an air gapped machine, go to a local bitcoin meetup, and buy bitcoin for cash.
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