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Claude Code creator says Claude wrote all his code for the last month

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Re: Claude Code creator says Claude wrote all his code for the last month

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Post by nikanj »

real_joschi wrote: post #19

> I landed 259 PRs -- 497 commits, 40k lines added, 38k lines removed I wonder how much of these 40k lines added/38k lines removed were just replacing the complete code of a previous PR created by Claude Code. I'm happy that it's working for them (whatever that means), but shouldn't we see an exponential improvement in Claude Code in this case?

One dives deep into to the philosophical here, but how different is that from ”I recompiled the code, which removed 500kloc of assembly and created 503kloc of assembly”

Re: Claude Code creator says Claude wrote all his code for the last month

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Post by K0nserv »

outside1234 wrote: post #11
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs wrote: post #6

I'm sure it's unrelated(right guys? right?) but they had to revert a big update to CC this month. https://x.com/trq212/status/2001848726395269619

Not sure why you are getting downvoted, but this IS the key worry: That people lose contact with the code and really don’t understand what is going on, increasing “errors” in production (for some definition of error), that result in much more production firefighting that, then, reduce the amount of time to write code.

Losing contact with the code is definitely on my mind too. Just like how writing can be a method of thinking, so can programming. I fear that only by suffering through the implementation will you realise the flaws of your solution. If this is done by an LLM you are robbed the opportunity and produce a worse solution.

Still, I use LLM assisted coding fairly frequently, but this is a nagging feeling I have.

Re: Claude Code creator says Claude wrote all his code for the last month

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Post by GCUMstlyHarmls »

nikanj wrote: post #21
real_joschi wrote: post #19

> I landed 259 PRs -- 497 commits, 40k lines added, 38k lines removed I wonder how much of these 40k lines added/38k lines removed were just replacing the complete code of a previous PR created by Claude Code. I'm happy that it's working for them (whatever that means), but shouldn't we see an exponential improvement in Claude Code in this case?

One dives deep into to the philosophical here, but how different is that from ”I recompiled the code, which removed 500kloc of assembly and created 503kloc of assembly”

No one says that as a linkedin metric though.

Re: Claude Code creator says Claude wrote all his code for the last month

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Post by 578_Observer »

kachapopopow wrote: post #7

honestly i've been becoming too lazy, I know exactly what I want and AI is at a point where it can turn that into code. It's good enough to a point where I start to design code around AI where it's easier for AI to understand (less DRY, less abtractions, closer to C) And it's probably a bad thing? Not sure yet.

It is not bad. It is mastery.

You are treating the AI not as a tool, but as a "Material" (like wood or stone).

A master carpenter works with the grain of the wood, not against it. You are adapting your architectural style to the grain of the AI model to get the best result.

That is exactly what an Architect should do. Don't force the old rules (DRY) on a new material.

Re: Claude Code creator says Claude wrote all his code for the last month

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Post by clrflfclrf »

578_Observer wrote: post #18

"If the AI builds the house, the human must become the Architect who understands why the house exists." In Japanese traditional carpentry (Miya-daiku), the master doesn't just cut wood. He reads the "heart of the tree" and decides the orientation based on the environment. The author just proved that "cutting wood" (coding) is now automated. This is not the end of engineers, but the beginning of the "Age of Architects…

Taste, Aesthetics, Gestalt Synergy now matter more.

Re: Claude Code creator says Claude wrote all his code for the last month

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Post by decremental »

onion2k wrote: post #9
throw-the-towel wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is a human engineer not the same way?

No. LLMs can only reorder what they've seen in training data in novel ways. Humans can have original ideas that aren't in their training data. As a trivial example, John Carmack invented raycasting for Wolfenstein 3D. No matter how much prompting you could have given an LLM it could never have done that because there was no prior art for it to have been trained on. In pragmatic terms though, innovation like that does…

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Re: Claude Code creator says Claude wrote all his code for the last month

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Post by chrisjj »

onion2k wrote: post #9
throw-the-towel wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is a human engineer not the same way?

No. LLMs can only reorder what they've seen in training data in novel ways. Humans can have original ideas that aren't in their training data. As a trivial example, John Carmack invented raycasting for Wolfenstein 3D. No matter how much prompting you could have given an LLM it could never have done that because there was no prior art for it to have been trained on. In pragmatic terms though, innovation like that does…

> John Carmack invented raycasting for Wolfenstein 3D.

No. He merely reimplemented it.

Re: Claude Code creator says Claude wrote all his code for the last month

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Post by clrflfclrf »

onion2k wrote: post #9
throw-the-towel wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is a human engineer not the same way?

No. LLMs can only reorder what they've seen in training data in novel ways. Humans can have original ideas that aren't in their training data. As a trivial example, John Carmack invented raycasting for Wolfenstein 3D. No matter how much prompting you could have given an LLM it could never have done that because there was no prior art for it to have been trained on. In pragmatic terms though, innovation like that does…

Humans can have original ideas because they forget 99% of their input. I am of the opinion there are no original ideas. Most of what most humans do is just remix and reshaping like a potter shapes the clay.

Re: Claude Code creator says Claude wrote all his code for the last month

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Post by brador »

clrflfclrf wrote: post #26
578_Observer wrote: post #18

"If the AI builds the house, the human must become the Architect who understands why the house exists." In Japanese traditional carpentry (Miya-daiku), the master doesn't just cut wood. He reads the "heart of the tree" and decides the orientation based on the environment. The author just proved that "cutting wood" (coding) is now automated. This is not the end of engineers, but the beginning of the "Age of Architects…

Taste, Aesthetics, Gestalt Synergy now matter more.

>Taste, Aesthetics, Gestalt Synergy now matter more.

The AI is better at that too. Truth is, nothing matters except the maximal delusion. Only humans can generate that. Only humans can make a goal they find meaningful.

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