Do Female Executives Drive Start-up Success?
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#22I couldn't give a shit less if someone is male or female: either they can help me code&sell and they can stomach startup life (which is not for everyone, and certainly not for me in the long run) or not. Period. Who hires sex/gender? Big companies and organizations. Startups hire specific people who can do specific things, and, quite literally, can't afford to give much of a shit about this stuff.
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you believe the distribution of cognitive abilities to be orthogonal to race/gender, why set your a priori at 0.5? I may be misunderstanding (my stats knowledge is low) but it seems you see no reason a particular statement should be true, yet assume a fifty fifty chance that it is true.
Because there is equally no reason that the statement should be false.
I am holding a pencil right now. Is the eraser at a higher altidude than the tip? Maybe, maybe not. Is that 50/50? Would you be willing to make a bet from me at 1:1 odds, that the the answer is yes?
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#24Out of curiosity, I often read gender/green studies mentioned in mainstresm press, published by various NGO. I am constantly horrified how misused statistics is. I believe that most of these studies are written for a specific purpose and math is there just to give it a science-cover. Even worse, I hear them cited by politicians making a real impact to our lives.
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#25Personally, I don't really give a hoot about the gender of who I work with - pleasing aesthetics are nice, but I'd work with Swamp Thing if he'd get the job done. I'm sure there's just as many well spoken, even-keeled men as there are women, and perhaps women do come out of this test better than men. Maybe because they have to work harder to overcome discrimination, maybe because they charm their way into the mainly…
See, it's statements like that which annoy women. What do "pleasing aesthetics" have to do with anything? Why do you even need to refer to that when you talk about women? And then, just for good measure, the good old "she must've slept her way up the ladder" trope. No, I can assure you, we (for the large majority, at the very least) have not "charmed our way into the work force". We've worked pretty damn hard to get…
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#27One thing that annoyed me (and it's typical of writing on gender and racial issues) is that he bends over backwards to state, effectively, "not that having women execs don't drive success". This hyper-careful threading brings to mind the famous Seinfeld "not that there's anything wrong with that" episode ("The Outing"). My approach in these matters is Bayesian: Do having female, black, Asian, Indian, etc. executives…
First of all 50/50 "better", "equal" is not a valid Bayesian prior. Here is a simple litmus test to demonstrate that. If you have a valid prior, then you can assign an actual probability to particular predictions. The ability to do that is a prerequisite of Bayes' theorem. If you can't generate probabilities, you don't have a prior. Suppose you were shown a random startup with women on board. What would you predict their odds of success to be? You can't give me a figure? Then you didn't have a valid prior!
Here is an actual prior that matches the "50% same or better" description that you gave: We give 50% chance to the theory, "Startups with or without early women have a 10% success rate." And 50% chance to the theory, "Startups with no early women succeed 10% of the time, with succeed 20% of the time." I am not saying that this is a reasonable prior, just a valid one. Though that said, a 2 to 1 advantage for having women on board is roughly in line with the figures in the (admittedly flawed) dataset.
With this prior, what happens if we look at a startup which had early women? Well we assign 50% probability to the theory that there is a 10% success rate, and 50% to the theory that there is a 20% success rate, so we calculate 15% odds of it succeeding. We can calculate probabilities of protection. Litmus test passed.
Now what happens if that startup succeeds? Well from Bayes' theorem, we now would give a 2/3 chance to the theory in which women help and 1/3 to the theory that they do not.
And if it fails? There we move the needle rather less since both theories predict high probability of failure. In fact we'd be giving the women help theory a weight of .4/.85 which is around 47% - so only a 3% shift in our opinions.
Notice something? I came up with a concrete prior that fit your description. And I found that every single data point makes a noticeable shift in the posterior opinions that should be held. This is the exact opposite of your hand waving claim that extraordinary proof is required.
Before you next try to use Bayesian analysis to make your claims seem authoritative, please learn something about the subject. A starting exercise might be to figure out what kind of valid priors actually would result in your extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence hypothesis.
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#28I couldn't give a shit less if someone is male or female: either they can help me code&sell and they can stomach startup life (which is not for everyone, and certainly not for me in the long run) or not. Period. Who hires sex/gender? Big companies and organizations. Startups hire specific people who can do specific things, and, quite literally, can't afford to give much of a shit about this stuff.
http://boingboing.net/2012/09/24/you-might-be-discriminating...
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#29Personally, I don't really give a hoot about the gender of who I work with - pleasing aesthetics are nice, but I'd work with Swamp Thing if he'd get the job done. I'm sure there's just as many well spoken, even-keeled men as there are women, and perhaps women do come out of this test better than men. Maybe because they have to work harder to overcome discrimination, maybe because they charm their way into the mainly…
See, it's statements like that which annoy women. What do "pleasing aesthetics" have to do with anything? Why do you even need to refer to that when you talk about women? And then, just for good measure, the good old "she must've slept her way up the ladder" trope. No, I can assure you, we (for the large majority, at the very least) have not "charmed our way into the work force". We've worked pretty damn hard to get…
1) I said that I don't care whether someone's a woman (aesthetically a more pleasing option to me than a man) or a man, as long as they get the job done.
2) I said that whether someone got somewhere by charm or by working hard, I don't give a rats bottom. As long as they get the job done.
Basically, I'm making your case for you and you're still picking a fight?
Would you rather I said "I'd hire a woman because this article says they're better"?
Screw that. I'd hire whomever I think would get the job done. Period.
I hate discrimination. Either way.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
See, it's statements like that which annoy women. What do "pleasing aesthetics" have to do with anything? Why do you even need to refer to that when you talk about women? And then, just for good measure, the good old "she must've slept her way up the ladder" trope. No, I can assure you, we (for the large majority, at the very least) have not "charmed our way into the work force". We've worked pretty damn hard to get…
Thank god for this comment. "Charmed our way." haha
I'm saying that I don't give a hoot about how. My point was that discriminating against man is just as stupid as discriminating against women.