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Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by eptcyka »

SamInTheShell wrote: post #14
embedding-shape wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Whoever let this past the QC phase is an idiot. It's all a matter of perspective. I'm sure to some executive somewhere, the person/s who approved all of this is seen as heroes, as they shaved of 0.7% or whatever from the costs of the development, and therefore made shareholders more money. Until there are laws in place that makes people actually responsible for creating these situations, it'll continue, as for a co…

So you're trying to justify this type of rampant negligence in tech? Do you think justifying such malfeasance makes up for fact we literally have surveillance networks that bad actors can tap to do really awful things? Anyone that cares about their perspective has missed the point.

Why stick your neck out, swim upstream to do a good job that will not be recognised as such?

Fix the corporate incentives and engineers will be able to do the right thing without suffering. Not everyone gets the luxury of a secure career doing morally ok things.

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by TheRealPomax »

SamInTheShell wrote: post #8

It's 2025. The ISP gateway I got comes with more default security than these cameras. The barrier to entry on security is lower than it ever has been in history. Whoever let this past the QC phase is an idiot.

Counterpoint: whoever let this past the QC phase got paid very generously, and everyone involved is ignoring the laws that already exist to combat this, because law enforcement, too, gets paid generously. And the laws that forbid that aren't getting enforced because the police doesn't police the police, and dad has made it perfectly clear that flagrantly ignoring the law is fine if you're in power.

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by jandrese »

embedding-shape wrote: post #10
SamInTheShell wrote: post #8

It's 2025. The ISP gateway I got comes with more default security than these cameras. The barrier to entry on security is lower than it ever has been in history. Whoever let this past the QC phase is an idiot.

> Whoever let this past the QC phase is an idiot. It's all a matter of perspective. I'm sure to some executive somewhere, the person/s who approved all of this is seen as heroes, as they shaved of 0.7% or whatever from the costs of the development, and therefore made shareholders more money. Until there are laws in place that makes people actually responsible for creating these situations, it'll continue, as for a co…

It probably makes close to no difference in development or production, but it does significantly cut down on the number of tech support calls from people who can't figure out how to set the password, or immediately forget the password they set. If it has no password then you can just plug it in an have it work. Sure it's totally insecure, but its also trivial to install.

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by braingravy »

embedding-shape wrote: post #10
SamInTheShell wrote: post #8

It's 2025. The ISP gateway I got comes with more default security than these cameras. The barrier to entry on security is lower than it ever has been in history. Whoever let this past the QC phase is an idiot.

> Whoever let this past the QC phase is an idiot. It's all a matter of perspective. I'm sure to some executive somewhere, the person/s who approved all of this is seen as heroes, as they shaved of 0.7% or whatever from the costs of the development, and therefore made shareholders more money. Until there are laws in place that makes people actually responsible for creating these situations, it'll continue, as for a co…

Yep. Until we start holding decision makers responsible for the consequences of their decisions, they will always choose the selfish option.

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by SamInTheShell »

MSFT_Edging wrote: post #17
SamInTheShell wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're trying to justify this type of rampant negligence in tech? Do you think justifying such malfeasance makes up for fact we literally have surveillance networks that bad actors can tap to do really awful things? Anyone that cares about their perspective has missed the point.

I don't think the person you're replying to is justifying it, but saying there's no laws to prevent the abuse. Personally I think tech CEOs should be put in stocks in the town square on the regular but they're protected from any form of repercussions besides extreme cases of fraud. Even then, they're only held accountable when the money people have their money effected, not when normal people are bulldozed by the abu…

If I was 10 years younger, I might agree that they aren't justifying it, but I have enough experience with passive speech to just not let it pass anymore.

Regarding remedy, we really need laws on this stuff yesterday. The problem is that we have to gut first amendment freedoms for some of this stuff, which wont go anywhere because there will always be too much overreach with today's representatives.

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by SamInTheShell »

givemeethekeys wrote: post #24

At what point does the top brass at Flock get arrested?

Rather just see them get Flocked honestly. Seems like the type of tech a child would dream up only to realize when it's too late that it's dystopian, creepy, and a detriment to society.

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by ck2 »

remember when people first started experiencing TSA and there were massive protests at how obscene and violating it all was, then uncovering how useless they were as fake security theater

and they were going to get it all shut down

TWENTY-FIVE YEARS NOW

so good luck getting rid of flock where people don't even know it's happening

Not sure if people realize that cellphone locations, several layers in the firmware and software, can be had without warrant by anyone YEARS LATER

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