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School security AI flagged clarinet as a gun. Exec says it wasn't an error

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Re: School security AI flagged clarinet as a gun. Exec says it wasn't an error

#21
I'm gonna give the AI a pass on this one.

Student was intentionally dressed in military camo as part of a dress up.

The camera is probably grainy garbage at poor angle.

It's a reasonable assessment, probably a human being would double take in the same situation.

The problem is not having a human check the AI alert before locking down the school.

The problem is having a society where people regularly take guns into schools and public places and commit mass murder.

Re: School security AI flagged clarinet as a gun. Exec says it wasn't an error

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"Along similar lines, Seminole County Public Schools (SCPS) communications officer, Katherine Crnkovich, emphasized in an email to Ars to “please make sure it is noted that this student wasn’t simply carrying a clarinet. This individual was holding it as if it were a weapon.” I don't know if this communication officer realize the ridicule of her statement.

I mean these students now have the absolute funniest and most effective way to protest this bullshit. They could do more musical instruments, but I think bringing in comically fake depictions of outlandish weaponry would be legendary. A cereal box that just has the letters C4 written on it, an old timey cartoon bomb, a papier-mâché nuclear warhead.

Sadly this form of protest would quickly end with trigger happy cops shooting innocent kids…

Re: School security AI flagged clarinet as a gun. Exec says it wasn't an error

#23
This is absolutely ridiculous and insane. I feel deep sadness for what children these days are being put through, by scammy tech companies and the infamous NRA at the same time.

The cherry on top is that they refuse to provide statistics on their technology - something I assumed would’ve been table stakes to propagate it nation wide. And yet, the USA still has deadly school shootings on a weekly basis…

Re: School security AI flagged clarinet as a gun. Exec says it wasn't an error

#24
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93industrial_co...

Postwar kids, now in corporate and political leadership, were raised in a more militant, religious society.

Society is still shedding the paranoia and codependency they observed and have locked away in their neural networks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredric_Wertham

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26328105

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents_Music_Resource_Center

It's not the media itself causing mental health crisis but the militant policing and guilt trips at non-conformism

Financial engineering is being used the same way; keeping the next generation poor because they don't want to kowtow to a rich elder.

Re: School security AI flagged clarinet as a gun. Exec says it wasn't an error

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post #23

This is absolutely ridiculous and insane. I feel deep sadness for what children these days are being put through, by scammy tech companies and the infamous NRA at the same time. The cherry on top is that they refuse to provide statistics on their technology - something I assumed would’ve been table stakes to propagate it nation wide. And yet, the USA still has deadly school shootings on a weekly basis…

>And yet, the USA still has deadly school shootings on a weekly basis…

It's simply the price we have to pay to live in the only truly free nation in the world. Tyranny can't happen here because our government cowers in fear of America's militias and its armed populace.

Re: School security AI flagged clarinet as a gun. Exec says it wasn't an error

#27
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"Along similar lines, Seminole County Public Schools (SCPS) communications officer, Katherine Crnkovich, emphasized in an email to Ars to “please make sure it is noted that this student wasn’t simply carrying a clarinet. This individual was holding it as if it were a weapon.” I don't know if this communication officer realize the ridicule of her statement.

> This individual was holding it as if it were a weapon When asked to clarify the communications officer provided the following evidence: "As you can see in this image the student is squinting a little bit, exactly what you would do if you were aiming." "Also, you can see by his stance that he is trying to create stability with one foot a little forward." "I wouldn't be surprised at all if this was actually a trial r…

so much of this seems to have nothing to do with what is being held, it looks like gait and posture analysis, and guess what you do with instruments? you assemble them hold them to your eye to look at the alignment of the sections, and you sight through the holecover to look for gaps in the pads.

i believe it might be possible to trigger an alert with empty hands, based on analysis, as well as telescopes, maybe guitars, science class projects such as sextants, trigonometry exercises for those rare birds that do practical math lessons.

really the student manual should specify which gestures, and postures are prohibited AI triggers, akin to pulling a fire alam.

is drama or theatre still a thing in high school? that seems like a major issue there.

at the risk of repeating myself, if school is that dangerous, why are we sending children there?

Re: School security AI flagged clarinet as a gun. Exec says it wasn't an error

#28

We could metal detect and bag check at the doors, or we can pay a ton of money for a vision based system… what is with Americans fixations on cameras as the technical solution to every real world problem? Gun detection is a solved problem. Even shopping malls and hotels in developing countries get this right.

watch out for the students that have chemistry, and shop classes, they might just build a flintlock inside the school.

in my youth a number of fellow students constructed miniature crossbows, utilizing things issued by the school, and pilfered from the building. they could penetrate office dividers, and were tipped with exacto blades ! it was a badge of how "cool" you were.

Re: School security AI flagged clarinet as a gun. Exec says it wasn't an error

#29
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This software is expensive and incompetent. Such blunders are expensive, think of the dispatched officers, the highly disturbed school and so on. Such false positives should be heavily penalized such that the companies providing the service are incentivized to fix their systems. The officials claiming the software worked as needed are probably benefitting from these contracts.

At the very least schools should be billed for the frivolous police callouts. Who knows, maybe then the school might change their tune.

Re: School security AI flagged clarinet as a gun. Exec says it wasn't an error

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post #23

This is absolutely ridiculous and insane. I feel deep sadness for what children these days are being put through, by scammy tech companies and the infamous NRA at the same time. The cherry on top is that they refuse to provide statistics on their technology - something I assumed would’ve been table stakes to propagate it nation wide. And yet, the USA still has deadly school shootings on a weekly basis…

>And yet, the USA still has deadly school shootings on a weekly basis… It's simply the price we have to pay to live in the only truly free nation in the world. Tyranny can't happen here because our government cowers in fear of America's militias and its armed populace.

Can you define what you mean by “truly free” and how the US differs from other free nations in your mind?
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