Live data from Hacker News

Public Makes Millions on Plunging Crypto

cepr.net

21–25 of 25 posts

Re: Public Makes Millions on Plunging Crypto

#21
post #10

Crypto is a zero sum game. "The Public" can't be making millions on aggregate. Probably something like 90+% lose over longer term. And you make nothing until you sell.

Explain to me how crypto is zero sum? It can be infinity rehypothecatated..

Crypto is a box where a bunch of people put money in and get exactly the same amount out (just distributed differently).

Re: Public Makes Millions on Plunging Crypto

#22
post #7

What a weird biased tone throughout this whole article

What is weird about it?

That shorting is terrible: there is literally no limit to what you can lose and so investors are absolutely famous for losing literally everything with often very few short positions.

So shorting should come with a lot of warnings.

Re: Public Makes Millions on Plunging Crypto

#23
post #5

The entire crypto market cap is about $2.8T, which makes it about 75% as big as Apple. Would the same argument make sense if the author were to say Apple employees alone "push up prices for houses, resort hotels, and all sorts of other things they do with their money". Kind of a stretch if you ask me.

But apple makes (at least in theory) a useful product that consumers value. As is pointed out in the article.

Crypto provides banking services (savings, moving money, exchanging overseas money, pensions, mortgages, ...) which in a lot of countries are normally entirely exploited by the government to the point that crypto is far superior. And yes, of course that means it's for dodging taxes, moving criminal gains, and dodging sanctions by Russia and North Korea.

But in many countries "exploited" means that the country is so corrupt that "yes, but your crypto savings can disappear overnight" is not a very good argument against crypto, because the normal system has the same problem. In some countries the very currency of the country itself has that problem, and it's not always hyperinflation. For example, I've heard quite a few times from Chinese people that they prefer bitcoin over Yuan, just for the ability to dodge the banking system. Apparently one factor is that normal people can't use Yuan outside of China without very strict limits (which is another instance of "why does anyone trade with China? They are never going to allow a fair bidirectional trading relationship with their citizens. Trading with China, you can only lose".

Crypto is also the only way Venezuelans, Egyptians, and many others ... have any banking services at all.

So I would argue crypto is a lot more useful than Apple. Just not to people living in the richest countries.

Re: Public Makes Millions on Plunging Crypto

#24
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Explain to me how crypto is zero sum? It can be infinity rehypothecatated..

Crypto is a box where a bunch of people put money in and get exactly the same amount out (just distributed differently).

By that logic even the Stock market is a zero sum game.

Re: Public Makes Millions on Plunging Crypto

#25
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crypto is a box where a bunch of people put money in and get exactly the same amount out (just distributed differently).

By that logic even the Stock market is a zero sum game.

That's not true. The money you use to buy stocks gets you an ownership interest in a company that creates value. The money you put into crypto gets you a line on a distributed spreadsheet.

The money that comes out of your ownership share is tied to the success of the company, through dividends and buybacks.

Post reply on HN